Is lifting always domination?

TheWolfe · March 17th, 2012, 06:03

Several people over the years have commented to me on L&C forums that to lift someone is to dominate them. I'm not sure I completely agree with that statement but after pondering it I have to admit they do have a point. When a lifter lifts a liftee, the liftee's body - their entire being - is placed in the possession and care of the lifter. At the very least, there is some amount of submission on the liftee's part to allow this, right?

On the other hand, if a liftee convinces someone who is not inclined to lift people to give them a lift, isn't the liftee dominating the lifter by making the lifter take possession and care of the liftee's entire being, not to mention making the lifter exert strength?

Keep in mind that while "domination" and "submission" make people think of BDSM, it can also be much more subtle and perceived subconsciously without either party actually intending to dominate or submit.

With all the liftees and lifters on this forum, there should be some interesting opinions on this. Please take note that this question is asked about the act of one human lifting another human regardless of either participant's gender. I expect you to follow my lead and give gender-neutral answers.

ljakse · March 17th, 2012, 15:03

No.

phoneman · March 17th, 2012, 18:12

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Originally Posted by ljakse

No.

I agree completely. No.

Chaza · March 17th, 2012, 21:18

The act of lift and carry I do not see as domination.

However if I personally was physically out-powered and pressed over someones head and taunted then I think that would class as part-domination.

So i guess it depends on what type of "lift and carry" that is in question. I certainly prefer the "non-domination" type; though this is just me.

ramonra · March 19th, 2012, 02:40

To me it's absolutely non domination. It's playful between two adults, a "game" that to us has also a sexual connotation, but just that.
If any, I would be inclined to think of the liftee as the one who dominates, but still to me there is no domination involved.

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vk wrote 05 01 2019:

I think that a guy who wants domination plus riding on the girl has two fetishes, not one.
I can perform L&C without explicit domination.
However if I a am taller than the girl, I will not "regret" that I am a little bit heavy for her.

BTW, muggles are smart to take videos.
My best l&c like video is in Shanghai.
There is a flood.
A girl carries her on the back.
Playing a game ?
Not exacly.
The guy must go to his office and being clean.
So the girl must carry the guy on her back in order to secure his job even if there is a flood.

Hovever, the answer depends on the position of the persons.
Piggyback could bring some domination but shoulder or the others may be neutral.

gela · March 19th, 2012, 07:27

Sadly not. I personally find L&C that doesn't have the "domination" aspect to it very boring. I mean stuff like acrobatics etc.

Storm · July 14th, 2012, 23:30

Im with the majority here - I dont think so and thats coming from a bird that does lift and carry with guys.
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES have any of the true lift and carry fans ever been "submissive" as such - they have just enjoyed being lifted, although for various reasons, whether it be the feeling of a woman that is strong doing it, just the fact they are "swept" off the floor etc etc. and dont really want a guy doing it etc etc.
And gentlemen as well I may add.

Leobor · August 19th, 2012, 11:31

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Originally Posted by Storm

Im with the majority here - I dont think so and thats coming from a bird that does lift and carry with guys.
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES have any of the true lift and carry fans ever been "submissive" as such - they have just enjoyed being lifted, although for various reasons, whether it be the feeling of a woman that is strong doing it, just the fact they are "swept" off the floor etc etc. and dont really want a guy doing it etc etc.
And gentlemen as well I may add.

Storm, do you ever get lifted? I never had a session, but I am pretty sure I would like to do it in the end if I ever have any.

Mark G · August 20th, 2012, 11:01

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Originally Posted by Leobor

Storm, do you ever get lifted? I never had a session, but I am pretty sure I would like to do it in the end if I ever have any.

I'd rather Storm lifted ME than the other way round !

Storm · October 3rd, 2012, 00:47

I have been lifted UNDER DURESS!
some of my liftees for some wild reason then want to lift me which usually ensues a chase and then a lot of screaming.

March 17th, 2012, 06:03	#1
TheWolfe VIPOS Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,606 : 0 For This Post 3,253 Total	Is lifting always domination? Several people over the years have commented to me on L&C forums that to lift someone is to dominate them. I'm not sure I completely agree with that statement but after pondering it I have to admit they do have a point. When a lifter lifts a liftee, the liftee's body - their entire being - is placed in the possession and care of the lifter. At the very least, there is some amount of submission on the liftee's part to allow this, right? On the other hand, if a liftee convinces someone who is not inclined to lift people to give them a lift, isn't the liftee dominating the lifter by making the lifter take possession and care of the liftee's entire being, not to mention making the lifter exert strength? Keep in mind that while "domination" and "submission" make people think of BDSM, it can also be much more subtle and perceived subconsciously without either party actually intending to dominate or submit. With all the liftees and lifters on this forum, there should be some interesting opinions on this. Please take note that this question is asked about the act of one human lifting another human regardless of either participant's gender. I expect you to follow my lead and give gender-neutral answers.

July 14th, 2012, 23:30	#7
Storm STANDARD Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Posts: 108 : 1 For This Post 27 Total	Im with the majority here - I dont think so and thats coming from a bird that does lift and carry with guys. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES have any of the true lift and carry fans ever been "submissive" as such - they have just enjoyed being lifted, although for various reasons, whether it be the feeling of a woman that is strong doing it, just the fact they are "swept" off the floor etc etc. and dont really want a guy doing it etc etc. And gentlemen as well I may add. __________________ The Amazon Storm - onwards and upwards Your strong diva and pain in the arse www.sessiongirls.com/storm

October 3rd, 2012, 00:47	#10
Storm STANDARD Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Posts: 108 : 0 For This Post 27 Total	I have been lifted UNDER DURESS! some of my liftees for some wild reason then want to lift me which usually ensues a chase and then a lot of screaming. __________________ The Amazon Storm - onwards and upwards Your strong diva and pain in the arse www.sessiongirls.com/storm

March 17th, 2012, 15:03	#2
ljakse VIP Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Europe Posts: 276 : 0 For This Post 544 Total	No.

March 17th, 2012, 21:18	#4
Chaza VIP Honored Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 264 : 0 For This Post 627 Total	The act of lift and carry I do not see as domination. However if I personally was physically out-powered and pressed over someones head and taunted then I think that would class as part-domination. So i guess it depends on what type of "lift and carry" that is in question. I certainly prefer the "non-domination" type; though this is just me.

March 19th, 2012, 02:40	#5
ramonra VIP Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: 185cm / 80 kg Posts: 131 : 1 For This Post 168 Total	To me it's absolutely non domination. It's playful between two adults, a "game" that to us has also a sexual connotation, but just that. If any, I would be inclined to think of the liftee as the one who dominates, but still to me there is no domination involved. =================== vk wrote 05 01 2019: I think that a guy who wants domination plus riding on the girl has two fetishes, not one. I can perform L&C without explicit domination. However if I a am taller than the girl, I will not "regret" that I am a little bit heavy for her. BTW, muggles are smart to take videos. My best l&c like video is in Shanghai. There is a flood. A girl carries her on the back. Playing a game ? Not exacly. The guy must go to his office and being clean. So the girl must carry the guy on her back in order to secure his job even if there is a flood. Hovever, the answer depends on the position of the persons. Piggyback could bring some domination but shoulder or the others may be neutral.

March 19th, 2012, 07:27	#6
gela STANDARD Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 57 : 0 For This Post 3 Total	Sadly not. I personally find L&C that doesn't have the "domination" aspect to it very boring. I mean stuff like acrobatics etc.