Is lifting always domination?

[Mettalican5000]

Unfortunately for me, if its not blatant domination, then I dont find it interesting but rather boring. I watch it purely for aspects of domination. Where one lifts another against his/her will

[davelifted]

Originally Posted by Mettalican5000

Unfortunately for me, if its not blatant domination, then I dont find it interesting but rather boring. I watch it purely for aspects of domination. Where one lifts another against his/her will

I agree, I'm really only interested in wrestling lifts, although was we have discussed before many of these are not really resisted neverthelss there is the attempt to convey some kind of domination.

[TheWolfe]

It's interesting to see all the interpretations related to domination. No one really seems to have an opinion on the submission aspect of it. Even when the domination aspect of the lifting is imperceptibly subtle, the submission aspect of the same act is usually a bit more obvious, at least to me, which after thinking deeper and deeper about it convinced me that there's almost always some vague, subtle domination aspect.

Does anyone else notice the submission part?

[Mark G]

Originally Posted by TheWolfe

It's interesting to see all the interpretations related to domination. No one really seems to have an opinion on the submission aspect of it. Even when the domination aspect of the lifting is imperceptibly subtle, the submission aspect of the same act is usually a bit more obvious, at least to me, which after thinking deeper and deeper about it convinced me that there's almost always some vague, subtle domination aspect.

Does anyone else notice the submission part?

I've indeed noticed the submission part. Whenever I've been lifted and carried by a woman,I've always felt very weak and submissive in their grasp. A massive turn on,though.

[davelifted]

Originally Posted by Mark G

I've indeed noticed the submission part. Whenever I've been lifted and carried by a woman,I've always felt very weak and submissive in their grasp. A massive turn on,though.

same for me; its very rare for a woman to be able to lift me unless i submit. Sometimes we have role played where i beg to be lifted - which is quite a turn on as well.

[TheWolfe]

Okay, I'll break out of generic gender mode to put some personal input in.

I'm on this board for F/F but I also love to lift women. I don't feel like I'm dominating a woman when I lift her but, after having lots of online discussions about domination, I've realized that I like feeling her submit to being lifted, so by default I guess I like feeling dominant by lifting.

I've also realized that my interest in L&C has nothing to do with the strength of the lifter as much as it has to do with the submission of the liftee and the desire of the lifter to do the lift. It's like an intimate communication between the two. If it's the lifter's idea the communication is "I want to hold you." If it's the liftee's idea then it's "I want you to hold me." When the other party complies, they're communicating back by submitting to the desire of the other.

Because of that, I'd rather see a failed attempt at a more intimate (or playful/friendly) lift that's real between the two parties rather than an impersonal display of brute strength.

[Mark G]

Originally Posted by TheWolfe

Okay, I'll break out of generic gender mode to put some personal input in.

I'm on this board for F/F but I also love to lift women. I don't feel like I'm dominating a woman when I lift her but, after having lots of online discussions about domination, I've realized that I like feeling her submit to being lifted, so by default I guess I like feeling dominant by lifting.

I've also realized that my interest in L&C has nothing to do with the strength of the lifter as much as it has to do with the submission of the liftee and the desire of the lifter to do the lift. It's like an intimate communication between the two. If it's the lifter's idea the communication is "I want to hold you." If it's the liftee's idea then it's "I want you to hold me." When the other party complies, they're communicating back by submitting to the desire of the other.

Because of that, I'd rather see a failed attempt at a more intimate (or playful/friendly) lift that's real between the two parties rather than an impersonal display of brute strength.

Most times I've been lifted,there's been a lot of playfullness in it. I still like being in their control when it occurs though. I was once put over a woman's shoulder and I was looking down at her powerful legs as she walked