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Old January 5th, 2019, 16:03   #31
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I feel like most of us like it better when it is... but its not always. It's rescue often to obviously. Hence the name "firemen's carry"
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Old March 4th, 2019, 04:06   #32
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Default Domination?

I do not think so, in any case it depends on the person who does it. In some cases it is just the feeling of being protected.
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Old March 4th, 2019, 15:02   #33
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Ponygirls are the furthest thing from domination you can be in terms of lifting, which is why I strongly dislike it. Domination seems to come to play the most when the lifter's arms are being used as opposed to their backs. That's kind of why overhead lifts, OTS and cradles are the most commonly depicted lifts when showing power or domination, because it implies that the lifter is doing all of the work or is the one in control of the liftee, facial expressions aside.
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Old March 7th, 2019, 05:38   #34
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It's not always (fill in the blank). It all depends on the people and the situations. There are times when it's domination. For instance, it's domination when a female bouncer carries out a drunk girl who's causing problems in a bar.
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Interesting thread.

I come from bdsm backround, where I am a sub first and foremost. Here in the world of L and C I am the lifter and i still feel submissive, as I conceive the " Lift and Carry me" as a task, from a master to a sub.
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Interesting thread.

I come from bdsm backround, where I am a sub first and foremost. Here in the world of L and C I am the lifter and i still feel submissive, as I conceive the " Lift and Carry me" as a task, from a master to a sub.
Interesting. When I started this thread I was thinking of a discussion I had years ago in which someone insisted that to lift someone was to dominate them because when you lift someone you're possessing them and in control of them. I suggested the exact scenario you did to counter that but they didn't go for it.
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Old March 19th, 2019, 17:43   #37
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For the most part, lifting someone is commonly seen as a very explicit demonstration of strength and dominance because it locks the liftee into a very vulnerable and defenceless position, which is very common in professional wrestling. When lifting is shown to be a demonstration of submission, it's usually because it is an order for the lifter to dedicate most of their energy into the liftee, as if the liftee is something that is meant to be protected and preserved under the lifter's oath.

Certain lifting positions also determine the power dynamic between the two parties due to the common perception in media. Pony-rides and piggybacks are often the most sub-like lifting positions, with cradles and OTSes being more dependent on circumstances, and overheads and under-arm carries being seen as the most explicitly dominant.

The same lifting position (the over-the-shoulder carry) can be used as either as mentioned before, it mostly depends on the context and facial expressions.

Here's one where the lifter is seen as more submissive, or at the very least, beleaguered. (From the Red Sonja comics)


And here's one where the lifter is explicitly seen as the dominant one. (From one of the cards in Fire Emblem trading card game.)
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