L&C, Why?

[luff(arungen)]

Originally Posted by TheWolfe

I just deleted my posts since it seems they were taken in a spirit other than which it was intended.

For the record, I'm very introspective and love open and frank discussions. I'm also very open-minded and tolerant of others' points of view.

oh, you didnt need to do that man. Your post was perfectly fine and insightful

I was just warning others to not start such a debate as a thread like this could get ppl to post stuff like that.

[TheWolfe]

Originally Posted by luff(arungen)

oh, you didnt need to do that man. Your post was perfectly fine and insightful

I was just warning others to not start such a debate as a thread like this could get ppl to post stuff like that.

I'm glad you thought so. I thought it was, too, but even as I typed it I could see some of my comments perhaps leading some people in that direction. I don't want to be the catalyst for that.

Tell you what... I'll start a new thread that continues our part of the discussion in a safer way and see if anyone has anything else to add.

[phoneman]

The only single line in the entire post which was a problem was the one that invited a f/f view as opposed to f/m view.

That is a problem that goes back to the start of L/C on the internet 15 years ago. It has destroyed entire forums. In fact, as far as I know, this is the only forum that has worked and survived.

Other than that one comment your message was fine as far as I am concerned.

Any member is allowed to bring up any subject within the scope of this forum, as long as the rules are followed. One giant rule is that there is no f/f v. f/m "discussion", since these inevitably lead to fights, some of which have been very nasty and personal.

Another giant rule is that no one can criticize the tastes of another person, within the female lifting scope of this board.

Following these basic rules allows every member to come here and feel safe that they will not be attacked and no one will make fun of them.

Tolerance is our basic belief and avoiding conflict is how that is done. So, I am intolerant to try and make sure that the board is tolerant. Does that make sense? Maybe not, but you get the point.

Anyway, you post was fine, and if you are interested in this topic, go for it.

I apologize if I seemed overly harsh, but it was nothing personal. Just very strict enforcement of rules to avoid problems before they can happen.

[phoneman]

Wolfe, it might be better to restart this in the L&C discussions thread, not this one. Again, just start with the same post you did before, except please the f/f line.

[TheWolfe]

Originally Posted by phoneman

Wolfe, it might be better to restart this in the L&C discussions thread, not this one. Again, just start with the same post you did before, except please the f/f line.

I didn't start the thread. My first post was #3 in the thread following the M/F and F/M posts that remain above. But you are correct that there are just enough members of the L&C community who cannot have a calm and rational discussion that acknowledges our differences without automatically inferring that it's a criticism. I have been involved in the online L&C community since the 1990s and have had some wonderful and enlightening discussions with members from other segments of our little world and also seen the unfair demise of forums that you mentioned. Because I'd rather have what the forum can bring to our community overall than a discussion, I chose to take the whole thing down rather than to guess what might get taken the wrong way.

My apologies to markkk78 for inadvertently derailing his potentially interesting thread.

[themasterkavar]

To get the thread back on-topic, most of us are probably into the L&C scene for several reasons.

First off, I'm attracted to strong women. Not muscle-bound ones, just the fit and athletic type. While not a prerequisite, most L&C is done by women that fit this description. When perusing the forums, I generally skip over pictures that appear to have super skinny, overweight, or bodybuilder lifters. This isn't a judgement on other people's tastes, just mine. To each their own. There's enough material here for everyone to enjoy their own personal preferences.

Secondly, it's something that is very commonplace. L&C is not bound by seclusion like other fetishes. A piggyback ride is a nondescript action that can happen at any time and place, especially considering that most women could give one to an average man. This allows for a wide variety of situations for L&C to occur but naturally and artificially. There are even sports that focus heavily on L&C (weightlifting, dance, cheerleading, and you could throw some yoga stuff in there as well).

Thirdly, it's pretty diverse. There are standard, run-of-the-mill L&C moments with virtually no sexual basis (ex. piggyback rides walking around town, chicken fights in the pool), straight-up L&C videos from producers (liftnandcarrying, liftingfems, etc), and then some more hardcore sexual-based L&C material (Taylor and Caty S' productions). Throw in discrepancies between the size of the lifters/liftees and gender of each, and there's something here for everyone. Personally, I tend to stay away from the hardcore stuff and prefer to see videos and pictures from random events in the world than dedicated productions. Again, to each their own.

Fourth, we have an excellent forum here. The mods do a great job keeping the peace, and the general forum members rarely cause disturbances. Even the non-VIP boards have TONS of material from hundreds of pages of pictures, hundreds of pages of video, personal experiences, and discussions on all manners of L&C. Also, a strong presence from video producers is nice to have on the board. Of course Taylor hosts this site, but there are producers from many other sites that frequent these forums (Davemeister, Rachel, Caty S, Alexis Rain, etc).

Add it all up, and L&C is an extremely convenient interest to have.

[ramonra]

Very good post, themasterkavar.
I agree with most that you said. I just wanted to add that L&C is not an interest you choose, or at least it's not in my case. I would prefer no to have it, but as I cannot help with that, I accept it and embrace it.
I like L&C and as a side effect (or maybe viceversa) unexpected feats of strength by good-looking women. I also like athletic-fit type of girls, but because I understand they are more capable of giving me a lift.

I like L&C and strong women since I can remember, also the idea of a woman being unexpectedly stronger than a man has always done something to me. I remember this since I was 5. Because of this I think this fetish has a strong genetic base, so it's very difficult to find a logical explanation about why we like this.
To end this little rant, I think as long as you don't get obsessed with it, it's a pretty funny and good fetish to have. But also it can be very difficult to fulfill, for example yesterday I jumped on a friend's back and she collapsed even though her legs look strong... (and I'm not very heavy)

[chintu]

Yes! In a way it lets them know that their "man" is strong and and can protect them. Also, its comforting, cute, flirty... list goes on plus it's a good excuse to get close and have fun.

[fag123]

For me personlly i have no clue i just remember seeing LC at school and it then all stqrted from there pretty weird. No particular event in my life at least.8

[adfimus]

Hello everyone,
I am new in this forum .. I signed a long time ago but without being able to participate in the subjects

First, please excuse me for my "poor" English because I am just using a translator (French<>English)

About this subject and what does the L&C so great and attractive ... for me, in general, I love strong and muscular women who can dominate easily a man ..

and this is why I love L & C (when women lift men); For me it's a sign which shows strength of strong women. That's why I really love L & C ..

Thank for this good forum