Do you think this is genetic ?

[brucebarnes]

Originally Posted by Leobor

Bruce, in my opinion something is very wrong with their familmy (of course within walls of their home). Parents probably done something wrong in raising of those children.

I repeat - I dont think genetics has anything to do with it, but maybe in certain way yes. It looks like that small or skinny guys are more likely to be attracted to tall and stronger girls, and explanation is simple - subcontiously they want to make their bloodline stronger and taller (meaning on their children). That would be interesting subject to investigate among us - were we all in childhood or teen-years a little bit wimpy. If answer is positive - we would have something like explanation.

I think we're saying the same thing here.
Although, the theory, while very interesting, about the whimpy guy subcontiously tryign to improve his bloodline is a stretch.
But if it's true, it's basically saying that an LC deviation is actually right in line with evolution and adaptation to make a supperior hu,ankind race... haha

About the upbringing, Imentioned this somewhere recently (in another thread perhaps), but I really don't think there was anything odd abotu my parents other than maybe they avoided teaching me the "birds and bees" when they were mabey "supposed to".
THat, and the fact that I never seemd to naturally "discover myself" at the young age phychologist say is natural.
SO I think those 2 things contributed to my childhood development not taking the exact path of most children with respect to this area, and although a "late bloomer" int is area that has normal relationships, etc, soem of my sexual chilhood develpopment energy took a stray path and ended up as the LC fetish.
...my self analysis theory.

Everyone obviously has a different story...

[vk]

It's environmental.
Look at Konrad Lorenz and his geese.
A child can develop a L&C fetish (or other) only if he ignores what real sex is.

[aloknath]

Judging from what I have read, most fetishes develop from environmental factors and I don't think L&C is an exception. It seems very unlikely to me that it is genetic.

[allffcradles]

This thread and much of the forum here is appearing very one sided, I'm hearing too much of guys that like to be carried rather than carrying or seeing women carried? Anyway time to put a voice to the other and more common part of our rare fetish.

I've been into lift and carry since I was as young as 4 or 5! Don't think I know of any younger than that but how did it occur? I saw a Taiwanese singer being tossed and carried in arms by guys, for some reason that was real hot for me and over the years it only became more of a fascination, my love for seeing f/f carries as a preference developed around my pubescent years, prior to that I never really witnessed any forms of ff.... As far as I'm aware no one else related to me has a thing for lift and carry, my sister likes to be carried as do many girls which fits into what someone said here about domination BUT I know many girls that don't like to be carried too.... Funnily enough of the few girls I've lifted, most of which don't!

For the record aside from being born at 8lb 5oz I've been a thin guy throughout my life, from when I resumed martial arts at 15 though I have got muscle and am strong so I can lift people heavier than myself but it goes to show I at least into buy into having a thing for being lifted cos I'm lighter than an average man. I actually hate being lifted so I don't have the 'feminine' genes present of the guys that do like to be carried, it sounds condescending but it does explain in a crude way that part of the enigmatic fetish (Males that like being carried), I on the other hand like to see women vulnerable I guess I even find something appealing about them crying, call me a chauvinist if you will! As for women being carried, my focus is always the liftee the lifter can be as ugly as satan for all I care if anything it makes it all the more impressive in the beauty and beast way!

So perhaps we can ask ourselves what our interest is with lift and carry? That's a point if it hasn't been done already, who of us here are focused on the lifter and who on the liftee?

I looked on this topic just to see what the views are, this fetish has confused me my whole life as to why its here and at one point I wished it wasn't! That was before I knew there were others out there!

[Leobor]

Dont worry allffcradles, I am very much like you, and there is others here too (we have MF threads in FF section, just for us). As for me (I said that in numerous posts) I dont like FM pics much, but sometimes I have an urge for some girl to lift me. But definetly my fascination is more like yours (it started almost on same way - I saw ballet course when I was a kid - 3 or 4 years old).

[brucebarnes]

Originally Posted by allffcradles

This thread and much of the forum here is appearing very one sided, I'm hearing too much of guys that like to be carried rather than carrying or seeing women carried? Anyway time to put a voice to the other and more common part of our rare fetish.

I've been into lift and carry since I was as young as 4 or 5! Don't think I know of any younger than that but how did it occur? I saw a Taiwanese singer being tossed and carried in arms by guys, for some reason that was real hot for me and over the years it only became more of a fascination, my love for seeing f/f carries as a preference developed around my pubescent years, prior to that I never really witnessed any forms of ff.... As far as I'm aware no one else related to me has a thing for lift and carry, my sister likes to be carried as do many girls which fits into what someone said here about domination BUT I know many girls that don't like to be carried too.... Funnily enough of the few girls I've lifted, most of which don't!

For the record aside from being born at 8lb 5oz I've been a thin guy throughout my life, from when I resumed martial arts at 15 though I have got muscle and am strong so I can lift people heavier than myself but it goes to show I at least into buy into having a thing for being lifted cos I'm lighter than an average man. I actually hate being lifted so I don't have the 'feminine' genes present of the guys that do like to be carried, it sounds condescending but it does explain in a crude way that part of the enigmatic fetish (Males that like being carried), I on the other hand like to see women vulnerable I guess I even find something appealing about them crying, call me a chauvinist if you will! As for women being carried, my focus is always the liftee the lifter can be as ugly as satan for all I care if anything it makes it all the more impressive in the beauty and beast way!

So perhaps we can ask ourselves what our interest is with lift and carry? That's a point if it hasn't been done already, who of us here are focused on the lifter and who on the liftee?

I looked on this topic just to see what the views are, this fetish has confused me my whole life as to why its here and at one point I wished it wasn't! That was before I knew there were others out there!

Interesting perspective.

We do tend to try to neatly box this fetish, when in reality, it's too odd and varied to be "boxed" and categorized.

And about your discovery to find other besides your self have it --me too! I couldn't believe a group like this existed, with a bunch of others also trying to figure it out! Crazy...

And you say, 4-5 years old to first realize the fetish! wow.
THough, thinking back, there were many little things in my very young childhood, long before I knew what sex was, or even liked girls, that seemed to yield the same basic feeling that a good LC now does.
THings that made no sense, like the rin-tin-tin or Mr. ed TV songs.
It had nothing to do with the actors (people, horse or dog) int he show.
It was jsut the music as an object I guess.
As a little kid, I recorded it over and over and listened as I would go to sleep.
And somehow, it gave me a warm yet mystical feeling that years later, was similar to that of how you feel around a good lookign girl, or more over, the feelign of an LC scenario about to transpire.
I wasn't quite 4-5, maybe more like 7-8, but still, very young, and no sexual desires or attraction developed yet (at least that I was aware of).


ANyway, to your point about asking ourself what our LC interest is, not that you all want to hear me bla bla bla even more, but here's my blog.

While the nicely boxed FM LC is the "goal", so to speak, there's actually a lot of other variations that seem to interest me, though in more of a mysterious and unexpected way.

I've mentioned that I like getting rides on a legpress machine, where the girl sits, presses her legs, and wha-la --I go up.
Few seem to like this because htey say the girl doesn't have to be that strong, etc.
But for me, the idea of me totally just sitting, relaxed and non-strained, and being lifted with enough velosity to "feel" the lift in my gut, as opposed to having to carefully watch and think about it to "acknoledge that the lift is occuring, is awsome.

Now, here the interesting kicker...
Usually, when I get a girl to do this particular exercise, often, she too wants to experience the "sit back and relax and enjoy the ride" that I seem to want so much --So we reverse roles.

Oddly, I actually get something out of lifting her that way.
Because leg pressing a lighter person (the girl) is so extremely easy, and it's like the intersection where the whole fetish/object thing intersects witht he idea that there is a real person (the girl) and I too am, eing the lifting object am a real person, and we must both be real people and capable of fairly easily lifting eachother...
I dont' think I can put this in words... But I guess maybe what I'm partially saying is that in a lift, it's not only her that's an object, but me too.

Other things I oddly enjoy besides LC that surprise me are things that also intersect the girl being human vs. being an object.
For example, lets say she's getting very close to me for what ever reason.
Even stuff like feeling her body warmth can be a turn on (of course, only if she's cute, else it's repulsive!).
Or even seeing a really cute girl sweating --same thing (again, jsut to a small extent, not a lot). But again, it's like these human things indicate that she is a real person and not an object, which can sometimes almost an erotic thought.

ANother is to feel her strength, not even in an LC scenario.

FOr example, I recall back at a company I worked at, I had picked up a bunch of "budget" ice-tee bottles. The tee was great, and cheap (lol), only, the bottles were near impossible to open.
So one day, I figured out that the easy way was for one person to hold the bottle, and the other twist the cap w/2 hands.

I actually "exploited" this and founf my bottle opening partner --a 22 yr old Korean girl that I actually became good friends with at work.
I would hold the neck of the bottle as absolutely tight as I could, while she held the think part and turned it.
It amazed me that due to the extra torque she had holding the thick part of the bottle, she could over power me no matter how hard I held and tried to prevent the bottle neck from turning.
(Note that I would tryt ot hold the neckand not just the cover because I enjoyed the experience more than getting at the ice-tee!)

How sad I was when all the tee was gone and that was the end of this series of "activities".

ANyway, 2 points: 1) I got similar enjoyment out of this as being lifted --I guess it was because the girl was essentially in control by overpowering me, just by using the laws of physics. So it's liek laws of physics and this young cute girl teamed up to 100% over power me, no matter how hard to tried to prevent it. In fact, the "keep sake" from the experience was if my hands were scratched or hurt from attempting to stop her from rotating the bottle.

THe 2) point is relates back to the exploitation concept that we have been arguing --is a PB unethical because the girl doesn't know there's a sexual pleasure content at hand?

Well, in this case, it's even much less that a LC/PB --it's just opening a stupid ice tee bottle!
I guess by the definition many have, yes, I was taking advantage of her!

There are many other little scenarios I recall along those lines.
Another such one was when I looked into getting contact lenses.
There was a really cute girl operating some machine, and she had to adjust it so everythign lined up.
THe way she adjusted it was to turn a manual dial that moved the machine from side to side while my head was pressed on it, meaning, it also moved my head.
I couldn't resist the temptation to try to hold my neck still to try to resist her strength in rotating the dial.
I'm sure she felt me resisting it, and must have thought I was weird and didn't know why I would do such a thing.
None the less, she "cranked" it anyway, overpowering me, and aligning the machine the way she wanted it.
haha --what an odd scenario to get a tiny nit of the same gratification I get with LC.

Shoud I have later apologized to her and explained that she turned me on a bit with the whole dial/crank thing, and I went with it and thus took advantage? --it could have lead to her questioning if she wanted to even continue on her young career if it meant meeting "weirdos" like me that get a thrill out of her operating a simple medical device!

So another point here is that even if I totally restrained myself from encouraging anything that I get this sort of gratification from, it still happens to small extents in everyday life --there's a lot of unplanned scenarios.

Once (many years back), I was at spring break.
I was very tired, and didn't have the energy to "mingle" or keep up with everyone, so I found a nice, comfortable looking shair int he corner of the room where I just sat and zoned out.
Before I knew it, 2 incredibly hot girls came up to me, wanting the chair, and in bitchy fashion, didnt ask me to get up. Insted, they both immediately each grabbed an arm and together, pulled me up off the chair before I could even acknowledge exactly what happened.

Well, little did they know, but that was the highlight of the spring break trip for me!

THey wanted the chair, and knew exactly how to overcome me with out even the need to ask if I would give it to them.

I wonder if they would have done this if they knew that I got a bit of sexual gratification from this? --and tht it was I that got the bigger end of the stick, not them.
I suspect yes, they wanted the chair, and got a feelign of power themselfs by getting it the way they did, and couldn't care less what if anything I was thinking.

[rickishi]

I guess I will have to agree this L&C fetish does start showing up at a very young age. more like the same way a persons sexuality develops, even this starts at a very tender age. IN my case MY sexual interest towards girls started much after I had already realized I get turned on by girls lifting guys, so you know even before I knew what is sex , I was already playing with my LIL bro imagining L&C ... might look strange , but true

[Hokusai]

Originally Posted by Liftme71

I also think its genetic. You can read that 20% of the Men have female Brains so its often that these men have female minds and wishes. Mother Nature is strange.

I think generally is the individual matter of single persons but... in my casus it could be something. i feel that i have a little feminine personality. I'm a straight guy with strong thinking about myself as a male but in all stereotypes i' m more feminine. So.. maybe soetimes there's something in it
(sorry for not so good english)

[ownsville]

If it were genetic other people in my family would have it. And although I'm not inclined to find out what floats their boats in that department *shudder*, I think I'd have picked up on it since I became aware of it in myself.

I have to say its environmental. I attribute fetishes to a combination of neglecting sexual exploration at a young age (ie, when everyone else was finding out what pornography was, I was reading up on tanks and samurai and stuff like that), and the earliest sexual/erotic stimulation a person experiences - context and all.

I think people's sexual orientation and preferences are something that manifests later but are developed sooner. If you can imagine experiences at a young age "setting the ball rolling" subconsciously, it is only later in life that we make the link between activity x and...er, well, xxx.

As ever, just speculating on a hypothesis.

[brucebarnes]

Ok, now you all have got me curious.

Several of you say that LC fetish tends to start at a very young age.
One person actually thinks he's 1st noticed it at 4-5 years old!

None the less, what age do boys start liking girls?
Seems like it's around adolescence or at least 11 or 12 years old at a miminum.

So does anyone recall having the LC interest BEFORE they started being attracted to girls?
And if so, what was it that you like about being lifted if girls didn't yet pop into your head?

I believe "normal" childhood development involves playing with one's self at very young ages, long before they develop attraction to the opposite sex.
So maybe if something went wrong there and they turned to LC, it would make sense that LC started before the adolescent girl attraction began.
But again, I'm fascinated as to what form it took in those early tender years?

I myself don't really recall thinking about LC until I was attracted to girls.
But maybe I need to rack my memory harder...