Do you think this is genetic ?

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Originally Posted by vk

Yes but only a small number of homosexuals have kids with a straight partner so, recessive or not, the population of homosexuals would rapidly decresase, which is not what we observe ...

My dad was gay.. he had 3 kids.. (so is one brother, gay that is,, but there were environmental things that I think had a hand in that, more than genetic)

[vk]

Originally Posted by Altitude

My point was that the genetic determinism vs. learned behavior is a false dichotomy. You dont need a "gay gene" to be passed on by a gay parent to make a kid that is hard wired to be homosexual. The influence of the environment an embyo develops in on gene expression, exposure to hormores/chemicals in the womb etc. is a big factor in determining how the animal developes, and may turn out to be as big a contributing factor to the animals charicteristics as the raw genetic material.

I am not a specialist on this issue but I believe that you are jumping from one concept to another. Gene expression is not epigenetics.

For me gene expression occurs when the kid is growing, it is the kid's response to his own environmental factors. As for epigenetics, it occurs when the parents make the kid, it is a transmission to the kid of the parent's responses to their own environmental factors.

Epigenetics could interfere with homosexuality, for instance in an overpopulated area parents could produce more homosexuals. But again it is not what we observe, since there are not more homosexuals in China than in other countries

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There might be more in China but they are in the closet....

[EZ]

I think its environmental.

Tastes are personal, imo, and just like I have different tastes in music as my family I also have different tastes in what stimulates me on a sexual level.

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Regarding China girlfights my friend went Beijing 2 years ago and well the two people he went with ended up in a gay bar, a little gay took interest in them and they hid in an ally for ages cos a big gay came after them

Gayjing!

No I don't believe there's a particularly large gay community amongst chinese and I am chinese btw. Paedophilia also is definitely more apparent in the west than east too.... My understanding of my people, huge on gambling but drugs and sex compared to the west very tame

Regarding lift and carry I also started liking it from a very young age, I am not aware of any family members having the same interest, my understanding of fetishes are that they're environmental, I saw a programme on fetishes a while ago and one woman into pain said she had a lot of brothers who would beat her often yet she got a kick out of it... Perhaps it was a way to deal with the pain? Mostly in secret I've carried this carry fetish for over 20years now and I continue to wonder how it came about...