custom L&C orders - good and bad experiences

[allffcradles]

Right or as domination games.

[rosebud]

Dear Landcforum? friends, dear producers especially, I hope many of you?ll read this my message.
Nothing is accidental in this world. The posted pics are from videos that weren?t made accidentally !!!
It?s one of the custom videos I commisioned to FWR. These videos faithfully reflect my own preferences: the combo brunette/blonde, the same size models, the choose to get many cradles carries made only by the blonde, the choose to exclude masculine and mascular women.
These chooses, I know that, are?nt so shared in the L&C audience (many prefer mascular and tall women).
Anyway, all this has a cost (sometimes very high) but I?m ready to spend a lot of money for my passion.
I?ve collected many L&C videos tailored for me and I leacked online just few frames beacuse I want respect copyright and the producer?s work.
What?s the matter?
FWR and some others studios are specialised in wrestling videos and refuse to do further L&C videos, also if they're well paid. It's useless to insist. There is a sort of ?wrestling ideology? (?many wrestling producers hate L&C) that preclude L&C shoots.
Now I?m tired of wrestling studios? refuses. I mean: there is anyone who can produce F/F L&C videos whithout made a big deal? We have the money.

[Far]

Originally Posted by rosebud

there is anyone who can produce F/F L&C videos whithout made a big deal? We have the money.

wait a little, I'am slowly going back to regular shoots, probably I'll start to accept customs orders sometimes)

[rosebud]

Originally Posted by Far

wait a little, I'am slowly going back to regular shoots, probably I'll start to accept customs orders sometimes)

We can try. I'm ready

[aloknath]

Originally Posted by rosebud

Dear Landcforum? friends, dear producers especially, I hope many of you?ll read this my message.
Nothing is accidental in this world. The posted pics are from videos that weren?t made accidentally !!!
It?s one of the custom videos I commisioned to FWR. These videos faithfully reflect my own preferences: the combo brunette/blonde, the same size models, the choose to get many cradles carries made only by the blonde, the choose to exclude masculine and mascular women.
These chooses, I know that, are?nt so shared in the L&C audience (many prefer mascular and tall women).
Anyway, all this has a cost (sometimes very high) but I?m ready to spend a lot of money for my passion.
I?ve collected many L&C videos tailored for me and I leacked online just few frames beacuse I want respect copyright and the producer?s work.
What?s the matter?
FWR and some others studios are specialised in wrestling videos and refuse to do further L&C videos, also if they're well paid. It's useless to insist. There is a sort of ?wrestling ideology? (?many wrestling producers hate L&C) that preclude L&C shoots.
Now I?m tired of wrestling studios? refuses. I mean: there is anyone who can produce F/F L&C videos whithout made a big deal? We have the money.

It is precisely because people insist that they don't like to do it. Some studios like FWR do fetish work but other studios that specialize in wrestling are exactly that - wrestling studios. You can't blame them for not wanting to cater to fetishists. They're professional athletes and not porn stars or fetish models. I (and others) have managed to commission lift-intensive videos from all the wrestling producers simply because I respect what they are and only request wrestling customs with wrestling lifts. They know I'm into L&C but we don't talk about it and they get to make wrestling matches and keep their dignity as highly trained athletes. It's a little insulting to ask athletes who don't want to be in the fetish industry to do lift/carry videos. Some of the pro wrestlers have found that it's a lucrative market and they've branched out into fetish customs. But most of them simply want to engage in a sport they've trained hard for and NOT to be sex objects. Maybe you should stop insisting and stop taking their refusals personally. Not least because it makes them produce less videos with wrestling lifts.

[rosebud]

Originally Posted by ashok

It is precisely because people insist that they don't like to do it. Some studios like FWR do fetish work but other studios that specialize in wrestling are exactly that - wrestling studios. You can't blame them for not wanting to cater to fetishists. They're professional athletes and not porn stars or fetish models. I (and others) have managed to commission lift-intensive videos from all the wrestling producers simply because I respect what they are and only request wrestling customs with wrestling lifts. They know I'm into L&C but we don't talk about it and they get to make wrestling matches and keep their dignity as highly trained athletes. It's a little insulting to ask athletes who don't want to be in the fetish industry to do lift/carry videos. Some of the pro wrestlers have found that it's a lucrative market and they've branched out into fetish customs. But most of them simply want to engage in a sport they've trained hard for and NOT to be sex objects. Maybe you should stop insisting and stop taking their refusals personally. Not least because it makes them produce less videos with wrestling lifts.

So, what did I say? I agree with you.
We haven?t a genuine L&C producer: someone able to made just L&C at customer?s request.
At present, who say to produce customer videos, really produce just things they like?with the money from the customers! Of course, this is also useful for all us.
Anyway, I never asked anything to genuine wrestling studios.
I?m speaking ? I think - for those of us who have no interest for mascular women or real wrestlers.
In L&C world there is a lot of nuances, battling with each other is a waste of resources.
I know very well that ?my? L&C genre is not so popular, but I don?t avverse the other genres.

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[allffcradles]

Originally Posted by rosebud

Dear Landcforum? friends, dear producers especially, I hope many of you?ll read this my message.
Nothing is accidental in this world. The posted pics are from videos that weren?t made accidentally !!!
It?s one of the custom videos I commisioned to FWR. These videos faithfully reflect my own preferences: the combo brunette/blonde, the same size models, the choose to get many cradles carries made only by the blonde, the choose to exclude masculine and mascular women.
These chooses, I know that, are?nt so shared in the L&C audience (many prefer mascular and tall women).
Anyway, all this has a cost (sometimes very high) but I?m ready to spend a lot of money for my passion.
I?ve collected many L&C videos tailored for me and I leacked online just few frames beacuse I want respect copyright and the producer?s work.
What?s the matter?
FWR and some others studios are specialised in wrestling videos and refuse to do further L&C videos, also if they're well paid. It's useless to insist. There is a sort of ?wrestling ideology? (?many wrestling producers hate L&C) that preclude L&C shoots.
Now I?m tired of wrestling studios? refuses. I mean: there is anyone who can produce F/F L&C videos whithout made a big deal? We have the money.

I did ask this question no answers so far about the hot blonde and brunette scenario, I prefer the blonde to be carried for some reason as I equate them with the ditzy stereotype , well I found your answer then you choose the brunette!

[wilk1978]

Originally Posted by ashok

It is precisely because people insist that they don't like to do it. Some studios like FWR do fetish work but other studios that specialize in wrestling are exactly that - wrestling studios. You can't blame them for not wanting to cater to fetishists. They're professional athletes and not porn stars or fetish models. I (and others) have managed to commission lift-intensive videos from all the wrestling producers simply because I respect what they are and only request wrestling customs with wrestling lifts. They know I'm into L&C but we don't talk about it and they get to make wrestling matches and keep their dignity as highly trained athletes. It's a little insulting to ask athletes who don't want to be in the fetish industry to do lift/carry videos. Some of the pro wrestlers have found that it's a lucrative market and they've branched out into fetish customs. But most of them simply want to engage in a sport they've trained hard for and NOT to be sex objects. Maybe you should stop insisting and stop taking their refusals personally. Not least because it makes them produce less videos with wrestling lifts.

How would asking if they are willing to do a l&c custom make them produce fewer wrestling videos? All they have to is say no or at worst block somebody's email address. Your talk about "highly trained athletes" pertains to specific studios, but those probably aren't the studios rosebud is talking about, since he specifically said he avoids models who are too muscular. Based on my impressions, the majority of wrestling clips I see on C4S, for example, seem more playful than serious. I didn't get the impression that he took their refusal to do L&C work personally, I think he is just expression confusion that a lot of producers seem reluctant to do L&C vids even when customers are offering to pay significant money for them.

[WWE4Life]

Originally Posted by wilk1978

How would asking if they are willing to do a l&c custom make them produce fewer wrestling videos? All they have to is say no or at worst block somebody's email address. Your talk about "highly trained athletes" pertains to specific studios, but those probably aren't the studios rosebud is talking about, since he specifically said he avoids models who are too muscular. Based on my impressions, the majority of wrestling clips I see on C4S, for example, seem more playful than serious. I didn't get the impression that he took their refusal to do L&C work personally, I think he is just expression confusion that a lot of producers seem reluctant to do L&C vids even when customers are offering to pay significant money for them.

He means that once the producer is aware of the lift fetish because of requests from pushy fans, he may purposely eliminate lifts from his regular wrestling matches to stick it to those lift and carry fans.

Personally, I don't distinguish between lift and wrestling fetishes. If a producer thinks he/she is creating serious athletic contest videos that would in no way be construed as appealing to fetishists, he is crazy! People paying $20 for a wrestling match on femwrestling rooms or Slampeg, etc. are just as in to a fetish as those buying lift videos. One is not a higher/more noble form of entertainment than the other. And the athletes that make wrestling videos are fully aware that their videos are being bought by shmoes. If it helps them sleep better at night pretending that people buy their videos to admire their commitment to athletic excellence, then power to them!

[rosebud]

Originally Posted by WWE4Life

He means that once the producer is aware of the lift fetish because of requests from pushy fans, he may purposely eliminate lifts from his regular wrestling matches to stick it to those lift and carry fans.

Personally, I don't distinguish between lift and wrestling fetishes. If a producer thinks he/she is creating serious athletic contest videos that would in no way be construed as appealing to fetishists, he is crazy! People paying $20 for a wrestling match on femwrestling rooms or Slampeg, etc. are just as in to a fetish as those buying lift videos. One is not a higher/more noble form of entertainment than the other. And the athletes that make wrestling videos are fully aware that their videos are being bought by shmoes. If it helps them sleep better at night pretending that people buy their videos to admire their commitment to athletic excellence, then power to them!

Ok, friends. I think it's a mistake reduce the problem to a match: athletic women vs girls in party dress.
Or gym L&C vs bedroom L&C.
This opposition is useless, I think. I respect who likes L&C like a sporty performance, but there is also who loves a completely different L&C genre.
I think that is not the problem.

A real trader woud know that the customers' interests are his own interests.
More needs, more requestes, more money.
If I?m hungry, I know where to get food, if I need a car I go to the car salesman, but if I desire to be watching a good L&C video, I have to be content with the other?s remnants.
At present, there is only one truth: there's no such thing as a genuine L&C store.
All we're smuggling with old pics, worn videos, tv cuttings or with those four seconds scenes in long wrestling videos. Sometimes this is fun and intersting, but not always.
In my long experience like ?L&C lover?, I've learned that a genuine L&C producer simply doesn? t exist.
We can find only many videomakers who try to sell us what they make for theyrself.
Anyway I got positive experiences (for "my" L&C genre) with Custom Fetish Street, Seductive Studios and Fem Wrestling Rooms.
FWR? manager, for example, is an able videomaker, has very nice and feminine models, and listens to what the customer has to say. Unfortunately, however, he loves only the wrestling. He probably thinks it?s a crime to shoot a video with just L&C scenes. I bought something also by StronGirlz and old davemaster, but ...I prefer frail women than mascular girls.
Dunehands refuses the customers? requestes. Crazy carries is dead many years ago.
Somebody's got to move ...and all we must cave on the money to create a complete market.