Do you think this is genetic ? - Page 2

Hokusai · December 30th, 2010, 00:12

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Originally Posted by Liftme71

I also think its genetic. You can read that 20% of the Men have female Brains so its often that these men have female minds and wishes. Mother Nature is strange.

I think generally is the individual matter of single persons but... in my casus it could be something. i feel that i have a little feminine personality. I'm a straight guy with strong thinking about myself as a male but in all stereotypes i' m more feminine. So.. maybe soetimes there's something in it
(sorry for not so good english)

ownsville · February 7th, 2011, 20:07

If it were genetic other people in my family would have it. And although I'm not inclined to find out what floats their boats in that department *shudder*, I think I'd have picked up on it since I became aware of it in myself.

I have to say its environmental. I attribute fetishes to a combination of neglecting sexual exploration at a young age (ie, when everyone else was finding out what pornography was, I was reading up on tanks and samurai and stuff like that), and the earliest sexual/erotic stimulation a person experiences - context and all.

I think people's sexual orientation and preferences are something that manifests later but are developed sooner. If you can imagine experiences at a young age "setting the ball rolling" subconsciously, it is only later in life that we make the link between activity x and...er, well, xxx.

As ever, just speculating on a hypothesis.

brucebarnes · February 8th, 2011, 06:27

Ok, now you all have got me curious.

Several of you say that LC fetish tends to start at a very young age.
One person actually thinks he's 1st noticed it at 4-5 years old!

None the less, what age do boys start liking girls?
Seems like it's around adolescence or at least 11 or 12 years old at a miminum.

So does anyone recall having the LC interest BEFORE they started being attracted to girls?
And if so, what was it that you like about being lifted if girls didn't yet pop into your head?

I believe "normal" childhood development involves playing with one's self at very young ages, long before they develop attraction to the opposite sex.
So maybe if something went wrong there and they turned to LC, it would make sense that LC started before the adolescent girl attraction began.
But again, I'm fascinated as to what form it took in those early tender years?

I myself don't really recall thinking about LC until I was attracted to girls.
But maybe I need to rack my memory harder...

Leobor · February 8th, 2011, 09:52

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Originally Posted by brucebarnes

Ok, now you all have got me curious.

Several of you say that LC fetish tends to start at a very young age.
One person actually thinks he's 1st noticed it at 4-5 years old!

None the less, what age do boys start liking girls?
Seems like it's around adolescence or at least 11 or 12 years old at a miminum.

So does anyone recall having the LC interest BEFORE they started being attracted to girls?
And if so, what was it that you like about being lifted if girls didn't yet pop into your head?

I believe "normal" childhood development involves playing with one's self at very young ages, long before they develop attraction to the opposite sex.
So maybe if something went wrong there and they turned to LC, it would make sense that LC started before the adolescent girl attraction began.
But again, I'm fascinated as to what form it took in those early tender years?

I myself don't really recall thinking about LC until I was attracted to girls.
But maybe I need to rack my memory harder...

I have to disappoint you, but I started to like girls at when I was about 4-5 years old. I didnt know what sex is BTW, I just had emotional connection which I was aware of.

I also remember i liked movies where guys were picking up girls and I remember I wanted to do the same. I fantasized about that too. First time I lifted a girl was when I was in kinder garden (5-6 years old) - I picked her up from behind, and I was pleased.

ownsville · June 22nd, 2010, 00:54

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Originally Posted by Leobor

I dont think anything with a human behaviour is genetic.

Right on, that way lies excuses and letting criminals and crap parents off the hook.

ownsville · June 22nd, 2010, 01:08

I think it's nurture, manifesting things at early ages is not evidence of genetic trends. In fact, I don't think there is data in our cells that can actually dictate 'preferring' being lifted or finding it arousing.

That's all stuff we pick up along the way, and that's not to say the ways we do so are not as mysterious or confusing as if they were lost in our genes somewhere.

We might be genetically predisposed toward seeking protection from a strong woman, maybe - but again, that's something that can be altered by different nurturing...I could run myself around in circles about this but basically your genes determine certain things (ie, they definitely had a hand in me hating maths and liking English at school, because I'm crap at one and ok at the other) and set the bassline for your nurture/development/learning. Your cells CAN'T contain data about sexual preferences, they only contain the desire to have sex - with something, anything. It's your nurture that determines whether you're raised left, right, up, down, straight, bi, bent, or just downright indifferent. If we didn't have nurture we wouldn't even be debating this because we'd all be having sex with whatever had a hole, like the species used to some millenia ago. I don't think they recognised L&C back then.

In fact, and if I may digress, I don't think L&C has been around as a sexual fascination for very long at all in the grand scheme of things - late 1800's at the earliest. The only instances I can think of it having any outlet to become anything more than a stunt at a travelling show were...well, travelling shows, I guess! Early 1900's you've got circuses and strongmen/women who used to do stuff like carry people around and it was a big deal because it blew gender roles out of the window. Then in the 50's/60's you get Virgil Crumb who kind of raised its profile in a camp/perplexing way and now we have youtube and the rest of the net and it's an obscure little club that's actually starting to slowly accrue momentum as people crawl out of the net and into the fetish. L&C probably saw a peak back in the eighties when muscle fitness was all the rage and you had loads of 'powerhouses' in both genders - cynthia roth-whatshername, Grace Jones (yeah, they weren't necessarily lifters, but there was that wave of "girls are as strong as guys" following Lundgren, Stallone and Schwarzenegger around hollywood).

There's a good topic to start if it hasn't been done yet - have we got any L&C historians here?

brucebarnes · June 22nd, 2010, 05:59

No, not genetic.

I don't believe fetishes in general are genetic.
They are adaptations of deviation from "normal" behavior, perhaps due to deviation in childhood development, or perhaps due to psychological issues by which defense mechanisms are working at hand, or maybe just no great reason --for example, maybe someone working in a shoe store where a lot of cute woman come in (don't know if such a store exists) that sees and touches their feet all day develops a fancy to them (of course, that would still probably be a defense mechanism thing because they don't have the confidence to ask them out, only to enjoy their feet...).

Something that I'll share with the group abnormal about my upbringing is that must have lead to this is:
1) I never "played with myself" as a child during the years that they say it's normal and expected.
Simply, it just didn't happen naturally or by "accident". It's notthat I didn't want to, I just didn't know I was supposed to. lol.
2) No one tought me the "birds and bees" as a kid.
It wsn't until I was much older and actually learned it in school (probably pre-teen!)

As a result, as a pre-teen, I never fantasized about sex because I never used my "tool" for anything besides pee-ing!.
Yet, I developed sexual desires, like anyone, so I guess they had to attach to something else.
It was later in life that I slowly "transitioned" into the idea of actual "sex", but since the lift/carry desire came first, as they say, it's hard to appreciate your future love/passions as much as the 1st.

winniethebeer · June 23rd, 2010, 01:14

genetics is overrated

mark.johnson21 · June 23rd, 2010, 07:18

It's probably both, but I'm sure genetics have a part in it. For instance, I recently found out that one of my ancestors was a short guy who married a strong, tall woman... and I have no doubt in my mind that lift and carry was part of that.

Just as innate behavior can sometimes be attributed to genetics (ever been told that everybody in your family is paranoid?), why can't innate sexual instincts?

brucebarnes · June 23rd, 2010, 11:33

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Originally Posted by mark.johnson21

It's probably both, but I'm sure genetics have a part in it. For instance, I recently found out that one of my ancestors was a short guy who married a strong, tall woman... and I have no doubt in my mind that lift and carry was part of that.

Just as innate behavior can sometimes be attributed to genetics (ever been told that everybody in your family is paranoid?), why can't innate sexual instincts?

My belief...
LC is too... "sophisticated" a thing to be genetic like you describe with your ancestor. I think that's strictly coincidence.

However, I do think genetics play their part in a foundation for being prone to certain things, but certainly not somethign as specific as LC.
Genetics can contribute to the foundation for say, sexual or other deviations, intelligence, etc.
I have a friend with severe OCD (Obsessive compulsive disorder).
What I find interesting is tht his entire family suffers from somethng abnormal --his brother was a homo-sexual, hus sister has severe depression issues, and in my friends case, everything is "normal" except for the severe OCD.
All 3 siblings are extremely intelligent.
Their parents are 100% "normal" so-to speak, the father bneing a physicion.

So it's like the combination of 2 "normal", intelligent parents somehow mixed in a way that produced children with maybe a brain chemical imballance that manifested itself in 3 totally different ways for each of the 3 children.

My point again being that I think genetics can play into the development of a LC fetish, but if a "deviation from normal" occurs, it can manifest in many different ways, LC being an obscure one, and that particular seldom traveled path is due to development environmental factors.
But indeed, it can all be environmental with no genetics as well.

--again, just my personal "armchair psychology" opinions.

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February 7th, 2011, 20:07	#2
ownsville STANDARD Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: UK Posts: 86 : 0 For This Post 18 Total	If it were genetic other people in my family would have it. And although I'm not inclined to find out what floats their boats in that department shudder, I think I'd have picked up on it since I became aware of it in myself. I have to say its environmental. I attribute fetishes to a combination of neglecting sexual exploration at a young age (ie, when everyone else was finding out what pornography was, I was reading up on tanks and samurai and stuff like that), and the earliest sexual/erotic stimulation a person experiences - context and all. I think people's sexual orientation and preferences are something that manifests later but are developed sooner. If you can imagine experiences at a young age "setting the ball rolling" subconsciously, it is only later in life that we make the link between activity x and...er, well, xxx. As ever, just speculating on a hypothesis. __________________ "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy" - Tom Waits

February 8th, 2011, 06:27	#3
brucebarnes VIP Honored The Professor Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 545 : 0 For This Post 333 Total	Ok, now you all have got me curious. Several of you say that LC fetish tends to start at a very young age. One person actually thinks he's 1st noticed it at 4-5 years old! None the less, what age do boys start liking girls? Seems like it's around adolescence or at least 11 or 12 years old at a miminum. So does anyone recall having the LC interest BEFORE they started being attracted to girls? And if so, what was it that you like about being lifted if girls didn't yet pop into your head? I believe "normal" childhood development involves playing with one's self at very young ages, long before they develop attraction to the opposite sex. So maybe if something went wrong there and they turned to LC, it would make sense that LC started before the adolescent girl attraction began. But again, I'm fascinated as to what form it took in those early tender years? I myself don't really recall thinking about LC until I was attracted to girls. But maybe I need to rack my memory harder...

June 22nd, 2010, 01:08	#6
ownsville STANDARD Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: UK Posts: 86 : 0 For This Post 18 Total	I think it's nurture, manifesting things at early ages is not evidence of genetic trends. In fact, I don't think there is data in our cells that can actually dictate 'preferring' being lifted or finding it arousing. That's all stuff we pick up along the way, and that's not to say the ways we do so are not as mysterious or confusing as if they were lost in our genes somewhere. We might be genetically predisposed toward seeking protection from a strong woman, maybe - but again, that's something that can be altered by different nurturing...I could run myself around in circles about this but basically your genes determine certain things (ie, they definitely had a hand in me hating maths and liking English at school, because I'm crap at one and ok at the other) and set the bassline for your nurture/development/learning. Your cells CAN'T contain data about sexual preferences, they only contain the desire to have sex - with something, anything. It's your nurture that determines whether you're raised left, right, up, down, straight, bi, bent, or just downright indifferent. If we didn't have nurture we wouldn't even be debating this because we'd all be having sex with whatever had a hole, like the species used to some millenia ago. I don't think they recognised L&C back then. In fact, and if I may digress, I don't think L&C has been around as a sexual fascination for very long at all in the grand scheme of things - late 1800's at the earliest. The only instances I can think of it having any outlet to become anything more than a stunt at a travelling show were...well, travelling shows, I guess! Early 1900's you've got circuses and strongmen/women who used to do stuff like carry people around and it was a big deal because it blew gender roles out of the window. Then in the 50's/60's you get Virgil Crumb who kind of raised its profile in a camp/perplexing way and now we have youtube and the rest of the net and it's an obscure little club that's actually starting to slowly accrue momentum as people crawl out of the net and into the fetish. L&C probably saw a peak back in the eighties when muscle fitness was all the rage and you had loads of 'powerhouses' in both genders - cynthia roth-whatshername, Grace Jones (yeah, they weren't necessarily lifters, but there was that wave of "girls are as strong as guys" following Lundgren, Stallone and Schwarzenegger around hollywood). There's a good topic to start if it hasn't been done yet - have we got any L&C historians here?

June 22nd, 2010, 05:59	#7
brucebarnes VIP Honored The Professor Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 545 : 0 For This Post 333 Total	No, not genetic. I don't believe fetishes in general are genetic. They are adaptations of deviation from "normal" behavior, perhaps due to deviation in childhood development, or perhaps due to psychological issues by which defense mechanisms are working at hand, or maybe just no great reason --for example, maybe someone working in a shoe store where a lot of cute woman come in (don't know if such a store exists) that sees and touches their feet all day develops a fancy to them (of course, that would still probably be a defense mechanism thing because they don't have the confidence to ask them out, only to enjoy their feet...). Something that I'll share with the group abnormal about my upbringing is that must have lead to this is: 1) I never "played with myself" as a child during the years that they say it's normal and expected. Simply, it just didn't happen naturally or by "accident". It's notthat I didn't want to, I just didn't know I was supposed to. lol. 2) No one tought me the "birds and bees" as a kid. It wsn't until I was much older and actually learned it in school (probably pre-teen!) As a result, as a pre-teen, I never fantasized about sex because I never used my "tool" for anything besides pee-ing!. Yet, I developed sexual desires, like anyone, so I guess they had to attach to something else. It was later in life that I slowly "transitioned" into the idea of actual "sex", but since the lift/carry desire came first, as they say, it's hard to appreciate your future love/passions as much as the 1st.

June 23rd, 2010, 01:14	#8
winniethebeer VIP Honored Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,238 : 0 For This Post 8,928 Total	genetics is overrated

June 23rd, 2010, 07:18	#9
mark.johnson21 VIP Honored Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 325 : 0 For This Post 164 Total	It's probably both, but I'm sure genetics have a part in it. For instance, I recently found out that one of my ancestors was a short guy who married a strong, tall woman... and I have no doubt in my mind that lift and carry was part of that. Just as innate behavior can sometimes be attributed to genetics (ever been told that everybody in your family is paranoid?), why can't innate sexual instincts?