I know this will sound stupid what does "self loathing" means?

Do not feel stupid. If English is not your first language (and I take for granted that it is not), then your question is more than reasonable.

Anyway, self loathing means self hatred. He hates himself because of his feelings about L/C.

I'm not quite sure I understand what you're getting at. I think for the vast majority of us, L&C is a fetish, in addition to sex, not a replacement for it. Are you saying that for you, L&C is everything?

And yes, I'm pretty sure L&C can get you busted in public and draw a lawsuit. In fact, I've always felt that fetish type stuff is always a huge legal can of worms waiting to be opened... what happens when the girl giving you a good natured piggyback ride feels you poking into her back? Still is unwanted sexual contact, even if it's not a sexual thing for her. A peeping Tom isn't "hurting" anyone, but it's still a crime.

Thanks phonedude! My english is ok I guess but (as I allready said somewhere) - not perfect sometimes.

And I never hated myself for my interest in LC (???). Why the hell he thought that is the case?

Leobar, I think that very few of us feel this way. I do not pretend to understand why a few do. My best guess is that they are not happy or fulfilled in their lives and L/C is part of that problem.

Although us having this similar interest,( but in different ways and different reasons)I will speak for myself.

My opinion

It is really difficult to generalize any sort of people and associate them with certain personality traits for feelings.
In life everyone gets depressed for this reason or that at sometime of other. some have people have more problems then others or different ones.This bodes for all types of people. every non lifting carrying fans have issues in their lives so "self loathing" is not trait that is necessarily just tied in with lift and carry but of course some feel this way and i understand.

we have people as part of our community that have I am sure substance abuse issues . depression and so on. but guess what! so do all demographics;
all types of people. and that is what lift and carry fans are people. subjected to the everyday stress,s and also feeling the happiness of life.
I am not saying of that this interest can cause some to feel depressed of some self loathing. however sometimes if you take a look at your life. you might find there are other reasons for self loathing or not liking your life the way it is. to address the creator of this thread. true I am not in your shoes. but is sounds like when you broke up due to your girl friend lifting another guy. lift and carry might have not been the main cause.rather just jealousy on your part of infidelity on her part. something is wrong somewhere but if it were a kiss it or as a member stated a close hug it might have resulted in the same outcome.
I am not invalidating some of the real issues lift and carry on its own can create. as some were expressed well on here. but
where am i going with this.
cultures my be different and people may have different interests and many issues they day with in life. but that is all people and isn't that what lift and carry fans are . just people. like everyone else.
my opinion.

I agree with phoneman the term "r*pe" should never be applied to lift and carry.. r*pe is illegal and immoral and you will go to jail for it. lift and carry or domination by consent is different. in other words r*pe is r8pe and lift and carry is lift and carry. such a word should not be used so lightly.

PS. what i really have to be depressed about is my spelling and bad jokes:)

carrychris

I don't feel like L&C is anything to be ashamed about at all and it's certainly not a problem unless people are so into the fetish that they cannot get aroused without an L&C element which would probably cause major relationship troubles.

However, the one thing I do occasionally feel bad about is the fact that so much of our fetish material is based on pictures of innocent women who are simply having fun and posting their material on the internet for their friends to see and then having us pick it up and be aroused by it. I do feel a slight bit of guilt there. By no means is L&C the only fetish where this happens. For example, every single day outside in the world is probably a bonanza for foot fetishists!! But it does feel a little wrong to me. But given my love for L&C, what am I to do?!

I do feel pissed off sometimes that I cant really enjoy sex unless I am lifted. Considering that this is a secret that I dont readily share, it can be hard sometimes to have a fulfilling sexual life.

I feel the same way, and that's why for the most part the only L&C stuff I look at is stuff I've purchased, or youtube clips made my companies with the intent of it being an l&c or wrestling fetish video. Something doesn't sit right with me about raiding photobuckets, and I feel bad when I watch videos where it's just teenage girls who decided to throw what they felt like was a goofy, harmless video onto youtube, because it becomes sexualized. Even the most realistic "vouyer" porn is staged and the actresses have signed releases, the same with stuff like girls gone wild. These girls have NO IDEA that the picture of them giving their bf a piggyback ride is being sexualized. This is why I tend to get preachy and aggitated when people on here take the approach of "this is harmless," or seem to think that the women who take these non-professional pictures/videos somehow know about the fetish and intended for it to be like that. I do think, for the most part, the members of this forum do understand the gray area around all these pics, leading to them discouraging some of the less understanding forum members from commenting and harassing the women. Still, I feel dirty looking at them.

Ok guys...

Those photos are PUBLIC. We get aroused by them - so what? People get aroused by other public photos too. If you see some nice looking girl standing alone in bikini, of course you will get aroused, no matter if you are in LC or not.

We dont have to harass anyone, but we dont need unnessesery feeling we are guilty for something.