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ownsville · June 22nd, 2010, 01:08

I think it's nurture, manifesting things at early ages is not evidence of genetic trends. In fact, I don't think there is data in our cells that can actually dictate 'preferring' being lifted or finding it arousing.

That's all stuff we pick up along the way, and that's not to say the ways we do so are not as mysterious or confusing as if they were lost in our genes somewhere.

We might be genetically predisposed toward seeking protection from a strong woman, maybe - but again, that's something that can be altered by different nurturing...I could run myself around in circles about this but basically your genes determine certain things (ie, they definitely had a hand in me hating maths and liking English at school, because I'm crap at one and ok at the other) and set the bassline for your nurture/development/learning. Your cells CAN'T contain data about sexual preferences, they only contain the desire to have sex - with something, anything. It's your nurture that determines whether you're raised left, right, up, down, straight, bi, bent, or just downright indifferent. If we didn't have nurture we wouldn't even be debating this because we'd all be having sex with whatever had a hole, like the species used to some millenia ago. I don't think they recognised L&C back then.

In fact, and if I may digress, I don't think L&C has been around as a sexual fascination for very long at all in the grand scheme of things - late 1800's at the earliest. The only instances I can think of it having any outlet to become anything more than a stunt at a travelling show were...well, travelling shows, I guess! Early 1900's you've got circuses and strongmen/women who used to do stuff like carry people around and it was a big deal because it blew gender roles out of the window. Then in the 50's/60's you get Virgil Crumb who kind of raised its profile in a camp/perplexing way and now we have youtube and the rest of the net and it's an obscure little club that's actually starting to slowly accrue momentum as people crawl out of the net and into the fetish. L&C probably saw a peak back in the eighties when muscle fitness was all the rage and you had loads of 'powerhouses' in both genders - cynthia roth-whatshername, Grace Jones (yeah, they weren't necessarily lifters, but there was that wave of "girls are as strong as guys" following Lundgren, Stallone and Schwarzenegger around hollywood).

There's a good topic to start if it hasn't been done yet - have we got any L&C historians here?

June 22nd, 2010, 01:08	#10
ownsville STANDARD Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: UK Posts: 86 : 0 For This Post 18 Total	I think it's nurture, manifesting things at early ages is not evidence of genetic trends. In fact, I don't think there is data in our cells that can actually dictate 'preferring' being lifted or finding it arousing. That's all stuff we pick up along the way, and that's not to say the ways we do so are not as mysterious or confusing as if they were lost in our genes somewhere. We might be genetically predisposed toward seeking protection from a strong woman, maybe - but again, that's something that can be altered by different nurturing...I could run myself around in circles about this but basically your genes determine certain things (ie, they definitely had a hand in me hating maths and liking English at school, because I'm crap at one and ok at the other) and set the bassline for your nurture/development/learning. Your cells CAN'T contain data about sexual preferences, they only contain the desire to have sex - with something, anything. It's your nurture that determines whether you're raised left, right, up, down, straight, bi, bent, or just downright indifferent. If we didn't have nurture we wouldn't even be debating this because we'd all be having sex with whatever had a hole, like the species used to some millenia ago. I don't think they recognised L&C back then. In fact, and if I may digress, I don't think L&C has been around as a sexual fascination for very long at all in the grand scheme of things - late 1800's at the earliest. The only instances I can think of it having any outlet to become anything more than a stunt at a travelling show were...well, travelling shows, I guess! Early 1900's you've got circuses and strongmen/women who used to do stuff like carry people around and it was a big deal because it blew gender roles out of the window. Then in the 50's/60's you get Virgil Crumb who kind of raised its profile in a camp/perplexing way and now we have youtube and the rest of the net and it's an obscure little club that's actually starting to slowly accrue momentum as people crawl out of the net and into the fetish. L&C probably saw a peak back in the eighties when muscle fitness was all the rage and you had loads of 'powerhouses' in both genders - cynthia roth-whatshername, Grace Jones (yeah, they weren't necessarily lifters, but there was that wave of "girls are as strong as guys" following Lundgren, Stallone and Schwarzenegger around hollywood). There's a good topic to start if it hasn't been done yet - have we got any L&C historians here?