A sad day

[Lifter]

It seems that www.liftnandcarrying.com has finally closed. Sure, the website was amateurish, the updates taking longer and longer, until this last year there were hardly any, and yet, they produced some awesome material, with some of the most beautiful, cuttest girls around. A sad day, I will miss Liftn and carrying.:(

[EZ]

Here, here.

I agree. I think the amateurish aspect was a huge part of that sites charm as I always prefer the girl-next-store type over the model type and the girls they used screamed hottie from your college class. And the quality of girls they used improved so much over the years.

I know that site got flack for the girls not looking like they were enjoying themselves, but I generally never felt that way about them. At their best, I thought the site captured girls who did enjoy the experience of being carried. I also enjoyed the newbie who got carried and seem innocent towards being carried, where they would jump into the the experience but never quite "got it." That always worked for me as long as they did a good job being carried over those shoulders.

I'd say it was probably a 50/50 ration between updates I liked and those that I didn't care for but given the frequency of their updates and the cost for membership, being a member was always a worthy venture for me. At least up until this past year or so when they stopped updating.

They were one of my first lift and carry sites i discovered that focused on the female being lifted and for that they remained one of my favorites. They will be missed.

[drunken_agent]

Their clips4sale site remains open, though who knows for how long. And it seems they haven't had an update in quite some time.
http://clips4sale.com/studio/9609/

[dbarbob]

The site closure does indeed make for a sad day. I always thought that their "lift and kiss" theme was very nice and not often replicated elsewhere. Maybe some other producer will carry on in a like manner.

[themasterkavar]

The best part about them was the girl-next-door feel to all the lifters. I don't care too see women lifting men smaller then them like many other sites. Unfortunately, the productions values were very low.... almost every piggyback ride, shoulder ride, cradle, etc. was the same. They few times they branched out with a series, they were very good.

[Mike]

It was a original and innovative lift and carry site in my opinion. The lift and kissing I think is rare in this business, a few producers do it.
The girls are always hot and very strong, only on liftnandcarrying i see strong cute girls do always PERFECT lift. Ok all of the guy are small but 155 lbs is a good weight to lift, and all of the model can carry easly all of the guy in that website. Awesome.
Yes, is a sad day for l&c fan, but maybe in the future they come back with another site or cool stuff.

[Slevin]

Any defuncting of a L&C site is not good. To me, this one does not hold a candle to how disappointed I was when Hurricane Katrina took out oilwrestlers.com in 2005. It is a good bet that without that disaster, today we would have an additional 6 years and counting of frequent updates filled with L&C pictures and also probably more high quality videos now that technology has improved. What was also great about that site is that the oilwrestlers wrestled and lifted participants from the audience on any given night, and so those guys did not know a pre-show script of the lifts, and so it was basically the girls lifting the guys dead weight, and they did so many times quite effortlessly (fireman carry, powerbombs, cradles, etc.)

And that site was FREE and had a really neat forum where even the oilwrestler women themselves would frequently post. Totally killed my desire to ever travel to the Cresent City or New Orleans

[WWE4Life]

I have mixed feelings about the end of liftnandcarrying.com. I've never revealed the details of my relationship with the owner of that site, but enough years have passed that I feel it might be somewhat cathartic for me to divulge some insight into our interesting history.

The owner (I'll withhold his name) and I were actually both based in the same suburb of Toronto. I had broken into the business through my friend at Builtmore in California. After I had been established for many years, the liftnandcarrying owner actually got in touch with the Builtmore USA guy and did a video for him with a couple of local Toronto strippers. I discovered he was local through the Builtmore USA guy. We met and exchanged some personal lift and carry stuff and our friendship evolved from there.

He was interested in starting a lift and carry site of his own with a more "adult" theme than what I was currently producing. After hearing him out, we ended up partnering on some shoots which were released on our joint site, liftlovers.com. Things went well for a while, with him finding adult entertainers and me producing/directing the shoots and giving him some insight into how to be successful within this unique entertainment genre.

Our friendship developed and we hung out a lot...heck, we even were in a car accident together one evening (no one injured) after editing our website. After a while, unbeknownst to me, he was conspiring with other friends to leave the liftlovers site and start his own site. I would have had no problem with that, had he been open and honest with me. However, he actually took to trashing my own site (davemeister.com) on my message boards posting as an anonymous individual. Eventually I discovered that my "friend" and business partner was responsible for those messages, which effectively ended our business and friendship all at once.

He did reach out to me after a time, but being a stubborn, hard-headed Italian, I would have none of it. He started liftnandcarrying and to his credit was very successful with it. My biggest regret to this date is that I didn't get a chance to be a part of all those fantastic shoots. One girl in particular, KJ, absolutely caught my attention and I would give my right arm to meet and shoot with her.

From a production standpoint, I always wished he would have done more with the talent he had. His clips were repetitive, uninspired, and low resolution, all of which undermined the potential. On a number of occasions though, such as with KJ, and several other girls, he really got some seductive lift content that was great.

I supported his site for years, despite my personal feelings for him. Truth be told, he was a good guy prior to the choice he made to break away. The site for him was always something of a touchy subject with his family, due to religious beliefs. I'm not sure if they ever found out about his business, but it could very well be that the site ended for this reason. Otherwise, it is likely that he moved on (his background in school was in business and/or accounting if my memory serves me correct).

It is the end of an era...many of the early sites are gone or hardly an industry player today: Builtmore USA, my own site davemeister.com, liftnet, thevalkyrie, liftnandcarrying, etc. Thankfully, there are some newer sites that continue the tradition.

Dave
www.clips4sale.com/8715

[smallwm]

I joined that site for a month a few times. Sad that it is going. Liked that site

[Lifter]

I have mixed feelings about the end of liftnandcarrying.com. I've never revealed the details of my relationship with the owner of that site, but enough years have passed that I feel it might be somewhat cathartic for me to divulge some insight into our interesting history.

The owner (I'll withhold his name) and I were actually both based in the same suburb of Toronto. I had broken into the business through my friend at Builtmore in California. After I had been established for many years, the liftnandcarrying owner actually got in touch with the Builtmore USA guy and did a video for him with a couple of local Toronto strippers. I discovered he was local through the Builtmore USA guy. We met and exchanged some personal lift and carry stuff and our friendship evolved from there.

He was interested in starting a lift and carry site of his own with a more "adult" theme than what I was currently producing. After hearing him out, we ended up partnering on some shoots which were released on our joint site, liftlovers.com. Things went well for a while, with him finding adult entertainers and me producing/directing the shoots and giving him some insight into how to be successful within this unique entertainment genre.

Our friendship developed and we hung out a lot...heck, we even were in a car accident together one evening (no one injured) after editing our website. After a while, unbeknownst to me, he was conspiring with other friends to leave the liftlovers site and start his own site. I would have had no problem with that, had he been open and honest with me. However, he actually took to trashing my own site (davemeister.com) on my message boards posting as an anonymous individual. Eventually I discovered that my "friend" and business partner was responsible for those messages, which effectively ended our business and friendship all at once.

He did reach out to me after a time, but being a stubborn, hard-headed Italian, I would have none of it. He started liftnandcarrying and to his credit was very successful with it. My biggest regret to this date is that I didn't get a chance to be a part of all those fantastic shoots. One girl in particular, KJ, absolutely caught my attention and I would give my right arm to meet and shoot with her.

From a production standpoint, I always wished he would have done more with the talent he had. His clips were repetitive, uninspired, and low resolution, all of which undermined the potential. On a number of occasions though, such as with KJ, and several other girls, he really got some seductive lift content that was great.

I supported his site for years, despite my personal feelings for him. Truth be told, he was a good guy prior to the choice he made to break away. The site for him was always something of a touchy subject with his family, due to religious beliefs. I'm not sure if they ever found out about his business, but it could very well be that the site ended for this reason. Otherwise, it is likely that he moved on (his background in school was in business and/or accounting if my memory serves me correct).

It is the end of an era...many of the early sites are gone or hardly an industry player today: Builtmore USA, my own site davemeister.com, liftnet, thevalkyrie, liftnandcarrying, etc. Thankfully, there are some newer sites that continue the tradition.

Dave
www.clips4sale.com/8715


I disagree with your take of it being repetitive. After all he tried to accommodate everyone's wishes. I was always asking for cradles and OTS, for example.
Now, all of what you're telling us is your side of the story. We'd have to hear his, wouldn't we?
On to business. The clips4 sale store you've included in your post, does it feature FF L&C or you still mix em in the clips?

[twin]

they were one of my sites i enjoyed over the years. i will miss them and yes the lift and kiss was always great.

[WWE4Life]

I disagree with your take of it being repetitive. After all he tried to accommodate everyone's wishes. I was always asking for cradles and OTS, for example.
Now, all of what you're telling us is your side of the story. We'd have to hear his, wouldn't we?
On to business. The clips4 sale store you've included in your post, does it feature FF L&C or you still mix em in the clips?

Hey Lifter,

Your position as an all FF lift fan is beyond well-documented, as is your lack of tolerance for any interests other than your own. Based on the history of exchanges in this and other forums from years gone by, it's highly unlikely that you will enjoy clips from my store so I encourage you to spend your dollars elsewhere. As for hearing the other side of the story, I really couldn't care less about earning your approval, nor do I care if he chooses to respond...as it is, it's water under the bridge and my post was in effect, a eulogy to both a lost website and a lost friendship. I thought it would be interesting for others to know that the lift community was a small world, with two producers living practically as neighbours and how the liftnandcarrying site got its start. Let's leave it at that.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming of lifts and carries. :thumbup1:

[blauesau]

do not be sad:
http://landcforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=74633#post74633

[rflcblue]

Hey Lifter,

Your position as an all FF lift fan is beyond well-documented, as is your lack of tolerance for any interests other than your own. Based on the history of exchanges in this and other forums from years gone by, it's highly unlikely that you will enjoy clips from my store so I encourage you to spend your dollars elsewhere. As for hearing the other side of the story, I really couldn't care less about earning your approval, nor do I care if he chooses to respond...as it is, it's water under the bridge and my post was in effect, a eulogy to both a lost website and a lost friendship. I thought it would be interesting for others to know that the lift community was a small world, with two producers living practically as neighbours and how the liftnandcarrying site got its start. Let's leave it at that.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming of lifts and carries. :thumbup1:


Hey Dave,

Yes, it was interesting to hear about you and liftnandcarrying; thanks for telling these personal things about your history,

Jo.

[Lifter]

Hey Lifter,

Your position as an all FF lift fan is beyond well-documented, as is your lack of tolerance for any interests other than your own. Based on the history of exchanges in this and other forums from years gone by, it's highly unlikely that you will enjoy clips from my store so I encourage you to spend your dollars elsewhere. As for hearing the other side of the story, I really couldn't care less about earning your approval, nor do I care if he chooses to respond...as it is, it's water under the bridge and my post was in effect, a eulogy to both a lost website and a lost friendship. I thought it would be interesting for others to know that the lift community was a small world, with two producers living practically as neighbours and how the liftnandcarrying site got its start. Let's leave it at that.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming of lifts and carries. :thumbup1:

So revealing that you say "lack of intolerance" on my part and then go ahead and claim: "I couldn't care less". Not very consistent, I'm afraid.
At least you were good enough to understand I, to use your words: "couldn't care less" for the type of material you produce. Fair enough.

[EZ]

The back story was interesting and informing. I highly enjoyed that read.

I can get the complaint about the whole repetitive component to their updates but, honestly, I find that to be the case with ALL lift and carry sites. I think it's the nature of the beast as your shooting videos to showcase one thing: carries. How far can you really take it when each video is going to be of the same thing and one doesn't include a storyline?

For me, as long as the quality of the carry is maintained to a high level and one consistently brings in new talent I am fine with the repetitiveness in video format. And perhaps since I buy videos solely to see the females carried over the shoulder and in a fireman's carry I am by nature more open to the repetitiveness aspect of video, as I am not looking for variety in my videos from the get go?

[Lifter]

The back story was interesting and informing. I highly enjoyed that read.

I can get the complaint about the whole repetitive component to their updates but, honestly, I find that to be the case with ALL lift and carry sites. I think it's the nature of the beast as your shooting videos to showcase one thing: carries. How far can you really take it when each video is going to be of the same thing and one doesn't include a storyline?

For me, as long as the quality of the carry is maintained to a high level and one consistently brings in new talent I am fine with the repetitiveness in video format. And perhaps since I buy videos solely to see the females carried over the shoulder and in a fireman's carry I am by nature more open to the repetitiveness aspect of video, as I am not looking for variety in my videos from the get go?
Exactly. Well said, my friend. On the other hand, there is another side to the story, I can't remember the exact details, but a long time ago, the owner of liftn' and carrying told his side of the story on this conflict. We should hear from him to get the complete picture.

[EZ]

Exactly. Well said, my friend. On the other hand, there is another side to the story, I can't remember the exact details, but a long time ago, the owner of liftn' and carrying told his side of the story on this conflict. We should hear from him to get the complete picture.

I recognize that there is always 3 sides to a story so I am not throwing anyone under the bus based off that one story. I just enjoyed learning a little history of the site, of the L&C community as a whole, and left it at that.

[Leobor]

Thats really bad, I liked them a lot.

[warthog]

Meh, I agree with Dave's opinion of this site. The lifts were extremely repetitive and monotone, including the kissing series (which was a good idea poorly executed). Most videos would consist of a girl walking around in circles in a small room carrying someone, with no dialog whatsoever. I don't see how anyone can watch more than one minute of that.
I think studios like Taylor's which at least attempt to act out a scene are MUCH more appealing.

[Slevin]

So revealing that you say "lack of intolerance" on my part and then go ahead and claim: "I couldn't care less". Not very consistent, I'm afraid.
At least you were good enough to understand I, to use your words: "couldn't care less" for the type of material you produce. Fair enough.

First of all, he was talking about your lack of "tolerance" (not "intolerance" as you put it).

Secondly, I think it is quite consistent. Your lack of tolerance for other's material is the reason why he could not care less about earning your approval. So no need for you to be "afraid."

So please stop trying to be a Grammar Nazi on this forum, because clearly you are not very good at it.

I award you zero points for your poor attempt at making yourself seem intelligent at Dave's expense.

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[Lifter]

First of all, he was talking about your lack of "tolerance" (not "intolerance" as you put it).

Secondly, I think it is quite consistent. Your lack of tolerance for other's material is the reason why he could not care less about earning your approval. So no need for you to be "afraid."

So please stop trying to be a Grammar Nazi on this forum, because clearly you are not very good at it.

I award you zero points for your poor attempt at making yourself seem intelligent at Dave's expense.

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Who rattled your cage?

[Lifter]

First of all, he was talking about your lack of "tolerance" (not "intolerance" as you put it).

Secondly, I think it is quite consistent. Your lack of tolerance for other's material is the reason why he could not care less about earning your approval. So no need for you to be "afraid."

So please stop trying to be a Grammar Nazi on this forum, because clearly you are not very good at it.

I award you zero points for your poor attempt at making yourself seem intelligent at Dave's expense.

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Anyway, I think you should check basic terminology, it's not his grammar I took issue with, but his flawed premise: "As for hearing the other side of the story, I really couldn't care less about earning your approval, nor do I care if he chooses to respond...as it is". So, he was being intolerant not only to me, but to the owner of lifting and carrying. Hope you got it.

[Mike]

I dont understand why the boss of liftnandcarrying.com disapear with say nothing about the cancelation of the website.
Usually when a website i deleted there is an annunce in the home page.
Nobody know why the site is disappear, i'm a customer so i think i have the right to know why

[phoneman]

This thread has totally degenerated. I am closing the thread. If someone wants to start a civil thread on the same subject, go ahead, but personally I think that the points have been made.