The future of female/female lift and carry is not looking too bright

[Junkies19]

Perhaps I'm being over dramatic, but does it feel like our fetish is starting to fade away? The reliable creators like Rapture have pretty much moved on to BG content while Lora Cross is taking on the majority of new videos by herself (Thank goodness for her)

Perhaps new material is getting hard to find because more and more seem to be moving to Onlyfans and it's a total wildcard if what they offer will be worth it or not. And what we do get is pretty tame compared to past material.

Dez Desire - Seems to be pretty much retired and trying to become a ufc fighter
Gia the Giant - Almost no female/female lifts anymore
Sheena - Throws us a bone now and then when she's not beating folks up lol
Paris Love - Still puts out solid videos
Vanessa Rain - Very rare new videos
Rapture - See my comment above
Lauren Fogle/Lilly Ice - I'm assuming retired
Skylar Rene - Nothing worthwhile recently
Alexis Rain - Long gone
Sablique -Rare new material
Denise Anders - Big enough, but very rarely produces lifts
Megan Jones - Seems to be done with this content


Of course we still have super strong women who I appreciate like Kandylegs and Taperedphysique, while solid options aren't for everyone and it would be nice to have a bit of variety.

Maybe I'm just a dinosaur and there just isn't much value in them creating new content, it's just a bit depressing, is all :crying:

[TheWolfe]

I think it depends on what you like. I've never been a fan of fetish-specific L&C videos. I think F/F L&C has grown in general among people who aren't producing L&C material. That's everything from the mainstream adult film industry right down to Tiktok videos so for me it may be better than it's ever been. It's certainly a lot better than it was 25 years ago when I first got involved in this stuff online.

As far as that fetish stuff goes, it's mostly custom videos that someone ordered that they turn around and put up for sale to make more money on. If guys like us aren't ordering them and paying for their production costs, they're not going to happen. Various producers will come and go as they live their lives but there are new people popping up who will be willing to make your dreams into reality for a fee.

I really wish I could make them. I have the equipment and skill to make videos that would look better than the typical videos but it just wouldn't fit into my life.

[5supermb]

I agree with Wolfe's post above

Ordering customs is the best way to show that L&C is popular and to get new content released. I personally have ordered 9 customs so I know I'm playing my part, I just wish more would do the same.

[Junkies19]

I agree with Wolfe's post above

Ordering customs is the best way to show that L&C is popular and to get new content released. I personally have ordered 9 customs so I know I'm playing my part, I just wish more would do the same.


That makes totally sense and I admit to being ignorant when it comes to ordering custom content. I do make it a point to order clips that are intriguing on clips4sale in order to show some form of support.

I'm going to do more research on the custom options.

[aloknath]

Echoing what everyone above said. It's a market thing. I've been buying customs and chatting with producers/models I'm a fan of for years. They all say the same thing - L&C fans don't spend money compared to the other fetishes. And it's not just because our numbers are smaller. There are enough of us to sustain a small but healthy production economy but few of us pony up. More of us have to invest in the production economy.

[Bbwbearhug]

From the few producers or content creators I’ve spoken to, LNC is hard to produce and difficult to sell, especially when there’s significantly easier ways to earn money.

It makes sense.

If you can make a solo video of say, feet content or something else, why would you go through the hassle of finding someone to lift (or having them lift you), paying them, then actually shooting the lifts with them, which a lot of hard work?

For customs, the producers prices are a bit absurd because LNC is such a niche fetish. There’s no guarantee their videos will even sell because LNC varies so much from fan to fan.

[Bbwbearhug]

Echoing what everyone above said. It's a market thing. I've been buying customs and chatting with producers/models I'm a fan of for years. They all say the same thing - L&C fans don't spend money compared to the other fetishes. And it's not just because our numbers are smaller. There are enough of us to sustain a small but healthy production economy but few of us pony up. More of us have to invest in the production economy.

For myself, it’s hard to justify purchasing a custom simply for the fact that I know I won’t be consuming the content, by next month. I’ll occasionally buy clips from clips4sale but even that has to be a clip that’s really caught my attention.

LNC clips for me have a very short life span. I also don’t know what type of content I’m paying for. I’m not going to be in the room with them when they do the lifts, so I won’t have a say how I like a specific lift to be done.

[TheWolfe]

All good points but this especially:


...There’s no guarantee their videos will even sell because LNC varies so much from fan to fan.

I keep saying it: L&C IS NOT ONE FETISH!

It's a collection of very separate fetishes that have only one thing in common: one person lifting another. There are so many drastic differences that one person's "great" idea for a custom could be a total turn-off for another person, even though both guys are considered L&C fans. I see so many clips on clips4sale that are "ruined" by this or that as far as I'm concerned but they contain whatever special thing that gets off the guy who ordered them. That's why they're slow sellers.

This is a big reason why I wouldn't disrupt my life by trying to produce clips. If I knew there were a lot of people who liked what I'd like to shoot, I might look into it....maybe....but I'm more realistic about it and it would most likely cost me more to make a clip than I could ever make back in sales. It would have to be a significant source of income for me to even consider it.

[100proof]

I’ve been feeling the lull in F/F lift and carry stuff too! My favorite type of lifting content is when it happens in main steam porn, and it’s so rare now. You might get a quick front lift, but nothing like the stuff that was coming out in that 2015-2019 range, where it seemed like a lift and carry gem was coming out every other week!

Money is the only thing that talks, which is why I really feel us fans need to band together and pool our funds to give out to adult actresses who incorporate lifts into their scenes!

[dendrin]

I’ve been feeling the lull in F/F lift and carry stuff too! My favorite type of lifting content is when it happens in main steam porn, and it’s so rare now. You might get a quick front lift, but nothing like the stuff that was coming out in that 2015-2019 range, where it seemed like a lift and carry gem was coming out every other week!

Money is the only thing that talks, which is why I really feel us fans need to band together and pool our funds to give out to adult actresses who incorporate lifts into their scenes!

I don't ever see it being part of main stream porn sadly. A lot of them are "contract girls" and stuff like l&c is not in the contract. There is always a slight chance of injury risk, and don't think the porn studios want to get sued if a model hurts herself and is out of work for 2 months. A case example is Molly Stewart, who did all types of lifts in her personal cam shows, but when she went mainstream only did an occasional lift and it was super simple and low risk. The one exception to the rule was Phoenix Marie in her prime.

[100proof]

I don't ever see it being part of main stream porn sadly. A lot of them are "contract girls" and stuff like l&c is not in the contract. There is always a slight chance of injury risk, and don't think the porn studios want to get sued if a model hurts herself and is out of work for 2 months. A case example is Molly Stewart, who did all types of lifts in her personal cam shows, but when she went mainstream only did an occasional lift and it was super simple and low risk. The one exception to the rule was Phoenix Marie in her prime.

I disagree. Yes, Phoenix Marie e corporates lifts into virtually every lesbian scene she filmed for a number of years. Brazzers purposely paired her up with petite girls so she could do the lifts.

Abella Danger was doing lifts in the majority of her lesbian scenes during that same period. When they filmed Brazzers house, they each did multiple lifts.

Brazzers and other studios were pairing bigger girls with smaller girls all the time in that 2015-2019 time frame. Lauren Phillips had a bunch of lifts, Nicolette Shea and many others.

I only say all that to say, it WAS apart of the mainstream industry for a period of time, but those dominant, lifter girls are all kind of phasing out of the industry. There’s newer girls who are definitely capable of bringing it back, we just need to show there’s still a big interest for it!

[lcf677]

Unfortunately, clips4sale previews are often too short to decide on a purchase. Better if more sample pictures were shown.

A related change seems like dedicated LC picture or video sites seem to have largely disappeared where one could purchase a monthly subscription instead of purchasing each video separately.

Curious if there are sites members visit, subscribe to currently, which stand on their own, not part of clips4sale?

[Deplip]

How do we get access to the ff adult lift and carry of this forum ? I've been trying for a while with no answers.

[Junkies19]

How do we get access to the ff adult lift and carry of this forum ? I've been trying for a while with no answers.

Look through this thread and it should help you find a way to gain access.

http://landcforum.com/showthread.php?t=4754

[Bbwbearhug]

Unfortunately, clips4sale previews are often too short to decide on a purchase. Better if more sample pictures were shown.

A related change seems like dedicated LC picture or video sites seem to have largely disappeared where one could purchase a monthly subscription instead of purchasing each video separately.

Curious if there are sites members visit, subscribe to currently, which stand on their own, not part of clips4sale?

This is a great site to get a feel for a clip, to know if it’s something you would like, if you bought it https://bndasupamark.com/review-of-allie-parker-vs-saharra-huxly/

[351mazda]

If you can make a solo video of say, feet content or something else, why would you go through the hassle of finding someone to lift (or having them lift you), paying them, then actually shooting the lifts with them, which a lot of hard work?

I think that's a big part of it.

I like seeing the physical aspect, and love to see the girl lifting getting tired, out of breath, sweating a bit, and just generally getting tired by the end of the video. That's a lot of work, and I understand why not many women would want to make such a video.

[Thameemibrahim]

Bonnieandclyde has been doing a pretty good job

[anonliftandcarry1]

Bonnieandclyde has been doing a pretty good job

yep I agree, they upload a lot, and great vids.

[He4vyWe!ght4rts]

Im following a few Pages that upload multiple kinks including L&C.

And all i can say: There will always be a new Dom/Slave. Its sad to see the loved ones go but nothing we can do about it.

[Tulipan]

As with everything, demand creates supply. Or well, that's almost always the case. Plus, for girls, this fetish is one of the most comfortable, since it doesn't involve explicit sex.

[Hossi]

I agree, it's difficult to find good and new content. Thats why i am thinking about creating my own content