Do you think this is genetic ?

[Altitude]

Interesting topic. The whole genetics vs environmental influence on traits and behaviours issue is a lot more complex than people like to make out. From what i gather currenmt thinking is that epigenetic factors, the interaction of genes and enviroment in a developing organism, are very important in determining individual traits. People with very similar genes and very similar upbringings can be very different. Theres evidence to suggest that tendencies towards personality traits can be determined by exposure to hormones during early development. Its easy to imagine tendencies towards certain fetishes being influenced in a similar way. Its not necessarily a case of "my dad liked x therfore it is determined that i like x also".

I read somewhere that sthenolagnia (arousal from displays of strength) is one of the most common fetishes among bot sexes. I guess LnC would fall under that umbrella, with a subset of people for whom it is a primary focus. I'm guessing theres a lot of people out there who enjoy it but who have other focuses and probably never considered seeking out forums/videos etc.

Personally i disinctly recall being interest in being lifted by/ lifting girls from a ver young age, like 3 or 4 years old. I had a lot of female friends as a kid and figured out i was atracted to girls very early on. of course i had no idea about sex at that point, it was more like just a desire for physical contact. I'm sure those formative experiences were an influence on my specific desires later in life, LnC being one of them. Interestingly i find myself drawn to girls who share physical characteristics, eg. the way they smell, particular types of hair and skin with the girls i played with as a kid. Wierd i can remember that stuff huh?

[vk]

Originally Posted by Altitude

Its easy to imagine tendencies towards certain fetishes being influenced in a similar way.

It is easy to imagine but IMHO it does not make sense. Because, in fact, you could say exactly the same thing about homosexuality. However homosexuality cannot be genetic or epigenetic, since homosexuals don't make kids.

[winniethebeer]

Originally Posted by vk

However homosexuality cannot be genetic or epigenetic, since homosexuals don't make kids.

well a homosexual can have a kid with a straight partner and if it is genetic it would be a recessive gene

[vk]

Originally Posted by winniethebeer

well a homosexual can have a kid with a straight partner and if it is genetic it would be a recessive gene

Yes but only a small number of homosexuals have kids with a straight partner so, recessive or not, the population of homosexuals would rapidly decresase, which is not what we observe ...

[winniethebeer]

Originally Posted by vk

Yes but only a small number of homosexuals have kids with a straight partner so, recessive or not, the population of homosexuals would rapidly decresase, which is not what we observe ...

the homosexual population doesn't decrease because recessive genes are present in non-homosexuals too, many who DO reproduce.

[gaga141444]

L&C has to be genetic in some way - I personally remember when I was 3-5 liking it immensly (getting turned on from a kids perspective) when beautiful people were lifting. I also would really get charged when some good looking aunts/cousins would lift and place me on thier hip or in their lap. I remember thinking that this was not typically masculine (I was 5), but would still find it immensly pleasurable to be held by them.

[girlfights]

Originally Posted by vk

Yes but only a small number of homosexuals have kids with a straight partner so, recessive or not, the population of homosexuals would rapidly decresase, which is not what we observe ...

My dad was gay.. he had 3 kids.. (so is one brother, gay that is,, but there were environmental things that I think had a hand in that, more than genetic)

[Altitude]

Originally Posted by vk

It is easy to imagine but IMHO it does not make sense. Because, in fact, you could say exactly the same thing about homosexuality. However homosexuality cannot be genetic or epigenetic, since homosexuals don't make kids.

My point was that the genetic determinism vs. learned behavior is a false dichotomy. You dont need a "gay gene" to be passed on by a gay parent to make a kid that is hard wired to be homosexual. The influence of the environment an embyo develops in on gene expression, exposure to hormores/chemicals in the womb etc. is a big factor in determining how the animal developes, and may turn out to be as big a contributing factor to the animals charicteristics as the raw genetic material.

[vk]

Originally Posted by Altitude

My point was that the genetic determinism vs. learned behavior is a false dichotomy. You dont need a "gay gene" to be passed on by a gay parent to make a kid that is hard wired to be homosexual. The influence of the environment an embyo develops in on gene expression, exposure to hormores/chemicals in the womb etc. is a big factor in determining how the animal developes, and may turn out to be as big a contributing factor to the animals charicteristics as the raw genetic material.

I am not a specialist on this issue but I believe that you are jumping from one concept to another. Gene expression is not epigenetics.

For me gene expression occurs when the kid is growing, it is the kid's response to his own environmental factors. As for epigenetics, it occurs when the parents make the kid, it is a transmission to the kid of the parent's responses to their own environmental factors.

Epigenetics could interfere with homosexuality, for instance in an overpopulated area parents could produce more homosexuals. But again it is not what we observe, since there are not more homosexuals in China than in other countries

[girlfights]

There might be more in China but they are in the closet....