A sad day

[Lifter]

Originally Posted by WWE4Life

I have mixed feelings about the end of liftnandcarrying.com. I've never revealed the details of my relationship with the owner of that site, but enough years have passed that I feel it might be somewhat cathartic for me to divulge some insight into our interesting history.

The owner (I'll withhold his name) and I were actually both based in the same suburb of Toronto. I had broken into the business through my friend at Builtmore in California. After I had been established for many years, the liftnandcarrying owner actually got in touch with the Builtmore USA guy and did a video for him with a couple of local Toronto strippers. I discovered he was local through the Builtmore USA guy. We met and exchanged some personal lift and carry stuff and our friendship evolved from there.

He was interested in starting a lift and carry site of his own with a more "adult" theme than what I was currently producing. After hearing him out, we ended up partnering on some shoots which were released on our joint site, liftlovers.com. Things went well for a while, with him finding adult entertainers and me producing/directing the shoots and giving him some insight into how to be successful within this unique entertainment genre.

Our friendship developed and we hung out a lot...heck, we even were in a car accident together one evening (no one injured) after editing our website. After a while, unbeknownst to me, he was conspiring with other friends to leave the liftlovers site and start his own site. I would have had no problem with that, had he been open and honest with me. However, he actually took to trashing my own site (davemeister.com) on my message boards posting as an anonymous individual. Eventually I discovered that my "friend" and business partner was responsible for those messages, which effectively ended our business and friendship all at once.

He did reach out to me after a time, but being a stubborn, hard-headed Italian, I would have none of it. He started liftnandcarrying and to his credit was very successful with it. My biggest regret to this date is that I didn't get a chance to be a part of all those fantastic shoots. One girl in particular, KJ, absolutely caught my attention and I would give my right arm to meet and shoot with her.

From a production standpoint, I always wished he would have done more with the talent he had. His clips were repetitive, uninspired, and low resolution, all of which undermined the potential. On a number of occasions though, such as with KJ, and several other girls, he really got some seductive lift content that was great.

I supported his site for years, despite my personal feelings for him. Truth be told, he was a good guy prior to the choice he made to break away. The site for him was always something of a touchy subject with his family, due to religious beliefs. I'm not sure if they ever found out about his business, but it could very well be that the site ended for this reason. Otherwise, it is likely that he moved on (his background in school was in business and/or accounting if my memory serves me correct).

It is the end of an era...many of the early sites are gone or hardly an industry player today: Builtmore USA, my own site davemeister.com, liftnet, thevalkyrie, liftnandcarrying, etc. Thankfully, there are some newer sites that continue the tradition.

Dave
www.clips4sale.com/8715

I disagree with your take of it being repetitive. After all he tried to accommodate everyone's wishes. I was always asking for cradles and OTS, for example.
Now, all of what you're telling us is your side of the story. We'd have to hear his, wouldn't we?
On to business. The clips4 sale store you've included in your post, does it feature FF L&C or you still mix em in the clips?

[WWE4Life]

Originally Posted by Lifter

I disagree with your take of it being repetitive. After all he tried to accommodate everyone's wishes. I was always asking for cradles and OTS, for example.
Now, all of what you're telling us is your side of the story. We'd have to hear his, wouldn't we?
On to business. The clips4 sale store you've included in your post, does it feature FF L&C or you still mix em in the clips?

Hey Lifter,

Your position as an all FF lift fan is beyond well-documented, as is your lack of tolerance for any interests other than your own. Based on the history of exchanges in this and other forums from years gone by, it's highly unlikely that you will enjoy clips from my store so I encourage you to spend your dollars elsewhere. As for hearing the other side of the story, I really couldn't care less about earning your approval, nor do I care if he chooses to respond...as it is, it's water under the bridge and my post was in effect, a eulogy to both a lost website and a lost friendship. I thought it would be interesting for others to know that the lift community was a small world, with two producers living practically as neighbours and how the liftnandcarrying site got its start. Let's leave it at that.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming of lifts and carries.

[blauesau]

do not be sad:
http://landcforum.com/forums/showthr...4633#post74633

[rflcblue]

Originally Posted by WWE4Life

Hey Lifter,

Your position as an all FF lift fan is beyond well-documented, as is your lack of tolerance for any interests other than your own. Based on the history of exchanges in this and other forums from years gone by, it's highly unlikely that you will enjoy clips from my store so I encourage you to spend your dollars elsewhere. As for hearing the other side of the story, I really couldn't care less about earning your approval, nor do I care if he chooses to respond...as it is, it's water under the bridge and my post was in effect, a eulogy to both a lost website and a lost friendship. I thought it would be interesting for others to know that the lift community was a small world, with two producers living practically as neighbours and how the liftnandcarrying site got its start. Let's leave it at that.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming of lifts and carries.

Hey Dave,

Yes, it was interesting to hear about you and liftnandcarrying; thanks for telling these personal things about your history,

Jo.

[Lifter]

Originally Posted by WWE4Life

Hey Lifter,

Your position as an all FF lift fan is beyond well-documented, as is your lack of tolerance for any interests other than your own. Based on the history of exchanges in this and other forums from years gone by, it's highly unlikely that you will enjoy clips from my store so I encourage you to spend your dollars elsewhere. As for hearing the other side of the story, I really couldn't care less about earning your approval, nor do I care if he chooses to respond...as it is, it's water under the bridge and my post was in effect, a eulogy to both a lost website and a lost friendship. I thought it would be interesting for others to know that the lift community was a small world, with two producers living practically as neighbours and how the liftnandcarrying site got its start. Let's leave it at that.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming of lifts and carries.

So revealing that you say "lack of intolerance" on my part and then go ahead and claim: "I couldn't care less". Not very consistent, I'm afraid.
At least you were good enough to understand I, to use your words: "couldn't care less" for the type of material you produce. Fair enough.

[EZ]

The back story was interesting and informing. I highly enjoyed that read.

I can get the complaint about the whole repetitive component to their updates but, honestly, I find that to be the case with ALL lift and carry sites. I think it's the nature of the beast as your shooting videos to showcase one thing: carries. How far can you really take it when each video is going to be of the same thing and one doesn't include a storyline?

For me, as long as the quality of the carry is maintained to a high level and one consistently brings in new talent I am fine with the repetitiveness in video format. And perhaps since I buy videos solely to see the females carried over the shoulder and in a fireman's carry I am by nature more open to the repetitiveness aspect of video, as I am not looking for variety in my videos from the get go?

[Lifter]

Originally Posted by EZ

The back story was interesting and informing. I highly enjoyed that read.

I can get the complaint about the whole repetitive component to their updates but, honestly, I find that to be the case with ALL lift and carry sites. I think it's the nature of the beast as your shooting videos to showcase one thing: carries. How far can you really take it when each video is going to be of the same thing and one doesn't include a storyline?

For me, as long as the quality of the carry is maintained to a high level and one consistently brings in new talent I am fine with the repetitiveness in video format. And perhaps since I buy videos solely to see the females carried over the shoulder and in a fireman's carry I am by nature more open to the repetitiveness aspect of video, as I am not looking for variety in my videos from the get go?

Exactly. Well said, my friend. On the other hand, there is another side to the story, I can't remember the exact details, but a long time ago, the owner of liftn' and carrying told his side of the story on this conflict. We should hear from him to get the complete picture.

[EZ]

Originally Posted by Lifter

Exactly. Well said, my friend. On the other hand, there is another side to the story, I can't remember the exact details, but a long time ago, the owner of liftn' and carrying told his side of the story on this conflict. We should hear from him to get the complete picture.

I recognize that there is always 3 sides to a story so I am not throwing anyone under the bus based off that one story. I just enjoyed learning a little history of the site, of the L&C community as a whole, and left it at that.

[Leobor]

Thats really bad, I liked them a lot.

[Slevin]

Originally Posted by Lifter

So revealing that you say "lack of intolerance" on my part and then go ahead and claim: "I couldn't care less". Not very consistent, I'm afraid.
At least you were good enough to understand I, to use your words: "couldn't care less" for the type of material you produce. Fair enough.

First of all, he was talking about your lack of "tolerance" (not "intolerance" as you put it).

Secondly, I think it is quite consistent. Your lack of tolerance for other's material is the reason why he could not care less about earning your approval. So no need for you to be "afraid."

So please stop trying to be a Grammar Nazi on this forum, because clearly you are not very good at it.

I award you zero points for your poor attempt at making yourself seem intelligent at Dave's expense.